Obeying the doctrine

dberrie2020

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2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

Why does one have to obey the doctrine of Christ in order to have the Father and Son?

How does that fit Reformed theology?
 

brightfame52

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2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

Why does one have to obey the doctrine of Christ in order to have the Father and Son?

How does that fit Reformed theology?
That's about the Gospel
 

dberrie2020

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That's about the Gospel
It may be about the gospel--but it addresses those who don't obey the gospel--and that is where Reformed theology suffers, IMO:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son
 

brightfame52

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It may be about the gospel--but it addresses those who don't obey the gospel--and that is where Reformed theology suffers, IMO:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son
Well that settles it, it's about the Gospel. Like Paul said Gal 1:8-9
 

civic

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2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

Why does one have to obey the doctrine of Christ in order to have the Father and Son?

How does that fit Reformed theology?
Because Jesus is God and as God has all Authority over His Creation as the Creator. Both the Father/Son are God.

Do you agree ?

And once again you seem to have taken a verse and removed it from the context

2 John 1:7-10
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist. 8 Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward. 9 Anyone who goes too far and does not abide in the teaching of Christ, does not have God; the one who abides in the teaching, he has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house, and do not give him a greeting; 11 for the one who gives him a greeting participates in his evil deeds.

Do you believe Jesus is God in the flesh right now ? yes or no
 

dberrie2020

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Well that settles it, it's about the Gospel. Like Paul said Gal 1:8-9
And--it's about those who abide in the Gospel having the Father and the Son:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

How does one fit that into Reformed theology?
 

civic

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And--it's about those who abide in the Gospel having the Father and the Son:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

How does one fit that into Reformed theology?
2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

how does the above fit into your doctrine ?

what does the passage mean ?
 

dberrie2020

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2 John 1:7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.

how does the above fit into your doctrine ?

what does the passage mean ?
I believe it does fit.

So does this verse:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

Civic--IMO--it's not one or the other--it's both. 2John9 directly violates Reformed theology.
 

civic

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I believe it does fit.

So does this verse:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

Civic--IMO--it's not one or the other--it's both. 2John9 directly violates Reformed theology.
so you agree that Jesus was(on earth) and is (now in heaven)God in the flesh correct ?
 

dberrie2020

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what is the " doctrine of Christ " ?

Matthew 4:4---King James Version
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Including this:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9---King James Version
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
 

civic

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Matthew 4:4---King James Version
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Including this:

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9---King James Version
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
what is the gospel of our Lord ?
 

civic

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To obey God.

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
Why did you run to Hebrews when we are discussing Jesus teaching on the gospel of the Kingdom ?

I don't think you have studied the gospel of the Kingdom of God. Are you aware that Jesus taught more on the Kingdom of God than any other topic or doctrine ?

Jesus mentions the Kingdom over 100 times in the gospels. So its the most important thing Jesus taught during His earthly ministry. Here are just a few passages on the kingdom from the 4 gospels. The kingdom is like a multi-faceted diamond and the gospel is the core-center of that diamond. There are many facets to the kingdom but there is only one gospel that saves. Your response tells me you have not given the subject any serious thought.

Mark 1:14-15
Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God, 15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel.”

Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Luke 17:21
Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

John 18:36
Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world; if it were, My servants would fight to prevent My arrest by the Jews. But now, My kingdom is not of this realm."

Romans 14:17 Paul declared that the kingdom of God is a matter “of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.”

The kingdom of God is spiritual—Jesus said His kingdom was not of this world (John 18:36), and He preached that repentance is necessary to be a part of the kingdom of God (Matthew 4:17). That the kingdom of God can be equated with the sphere of salvation is evident in John 3:5–7, where Jesus says the kingdom of God must be entered into by being born again.got?

hope this helps !!!
 
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brightfame52

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And--it's about those who abide in the Gospel having the Father and the Son:

2John9
9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son

How does one fit that into Reformed theology?
Yes abiding in the Gospel is vital
 

dberrie2020

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Why did you run to Hebrews when we are discussing Jesus teaching on the gospel of the Kingdom ?
Because I believe obeying God is our portion of the gospel message--and is connected to obtaining eternal life

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

So--how do we fit that into Reformed theology?
 

civic

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Because I believe obeying God is our portion of the gospel message--and is connected to obtaining eternal life

Hebrews 5:9---King James Version
9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;
So--how do we fit that into Reformed theology?
Two things.

1- where is the gospel mentioned in your quoted verse ?
2- where is the kingdom of God mentioned in your quoted verse ?

you have a habit of running to and fro, here a little there a little with verses in Scripture.

we are discussing the gospel of the kingdom of God so can you stay on tract ?
 
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