OK critics--here is your opportunity

Mike McK said:
Actually, Mormonism doesn't teach that grace saves.
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Actually, it does teach that grace saves and that we cannot be saved in any other way no matter what we do.
Mike McK said:
It's grace + works, which nullifies the grace.
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If it was by works alone, then grace would be nullified. Since that isn't what we teach then grace is still necessary and therefore not nullified. That's just your twist.

Try this twist on for size. If it was by grace alone without works, then why isn't everyone saved?
 
Richard7 said:
No, but that is part of your doctrine, the one you haven't explained yet... chuckle.
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Which is unrelated to the thread. This is the Mormonism forum, remember. We discuss Mormonism here. You haven't explained to us the Mormon Gospel yet and what it means. You now attempting to divert. Doesn't work.
 
Richard7 said:
No, but that is part of your doctrine, the one you haven't explained yet... chuckle.
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No, that is false, Richard. God is not some "malformed" being. That would fit Joseph Smith, Jr's twisting of the true Trinity doctrine.

The Mormon god is too puny and weak to be three eternal Persons in One Being, but the true God of the Bible is NOT--He is NOT held captive by our finite ability to understand fully His Nature, this side of heaven. He can be what we cannot; He can do what we cannot; HE IS THE GREAT I AM. The puny Mormon god is NOT--he is simply a figment of Smith's overactive and heretical imagination.
 
brotherofJared said:
That's very interesting. Then how are men saved? How do they obtain this grace?
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By faith in Christ Jesus our Lord--the true one of the Bible, not the fake one of Mormonism, who is Satan's brother in the supposed pre-mortal existence.

Romans 5:1-2

New American Standard Bible 1995
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Results of Justification​

5 Therefore, having been justified by faith, [a]we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have obtained our introduction by faith into this grace in which we stand; and [b]we exult in hope of the glory of God.
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And remember this?

For it is by GRACE you are saved; THROUGH FAITH--and that is NOT of yourselves; it is the gift of God--and NOT by works, so no one may boast."

THROUGH FAITH in WHOM, Richard7? Care to tell us?
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organgrinder said:
Which is unrelated to the thread. This is the Mormonism forum, remember. We discuss Mormonism here. You haven't explained to us the Mormon Gospel yet and what it means. You now attempting to divert. Doesn't work.
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Our doctrine as I described it is not very close to your man made religion good buddy.. so embarrassed you won't even discuss the differences.
 
Richard7 said:
Our doctrine as I described it is not very close to your man made religion good buddy.. so embarrassed you won't even discuss the differences.
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Bonnie said:
By faith in Christ Jesus our Lord--the true one of the Bible, not the fake one of Mormonism, who is Satan's brother in the supposed pre-mortal existence.



And remember this?
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Confused as usual by your post, who, me or Brother of Jared are you responding too...?
 
organgrinder said:
You refuse to explain the Mormon Gospel and this is the Mormonism forum.
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I did, I gave you my version and you even stated it was better than most.... how can I add to that which I have plainly already stated... now your turn or just cut and run... who cares.
 
Richard7 said:
I did, I gave you my version and you even stated it was better than most.... how can I add to that which I have plainly already stated... now your turn or just cut and run... who cares.
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Nobody knows what the Gospel is by what you write. You have explained nothing.
 
Richard7 said:
Well you commented it was better then the rest... I gave it my best shot... your turn.
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It was, but neither you or any of your LDS cronies can explain it. So very sad for an alleged priesthood holder who can't even give a basic elementary explanation of such a fundamental topic. When you finally are able to do so, we can have a dialogue.
 
organgrinder said:
It was, but neither you or any of your LDS cronies can explain it. So very sad for an alleged priesthood holder who can't even give a basic elementary explanation of such a fundamental topic. When you finally are able to do so, we can have a dialogue.
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Yep, and I already told you that I failed and can't explain it... so I tried and failed, do you still want to dialogue and discuss what I missed? Let the debate begin folks, I'm ready but so far there are no response from organgrinder other than I disappointed him on elementary explanation...
 
Richard7 said:
Yep, and I already told you that I failed and can't explain it... so I tried and failed, do you still want to dialogue and discuss what I missed? Let the debate begin folks, I'm ready but so far there are no response from organgrinder other than I disappointed him on elementary explanation...
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Mormon forum, priesthood holder. Explain your Mormon gospel. I have already explained the Christian Gospel in a thread Aaron created last year- not on the Mormon forum. EDITED
 
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organgrinder said:
Mormon forum, priesthood holder. Explain your Mormon gospel. I have already explained the Christian Gospel in a thread Aaron created last year- not on the Mormon forum. Don't be so dense about this.
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I never saw the explained Christian Gospel by you and I'm not going to go back a year to find it...
 
Richard7 said:
You figured right my friend... as far as I'm concerned folks; he has no answer to how to explain the Christian Gospel... he say 1 yr ago, and I'm suppose to know where to look? yikes!
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Just explain the Mormon Gospel and we'll start from there.
 
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