AV Hb 8:5 Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, [that] thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount.Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
What is the old covenant that is spoke about here?
The old covenant is the life of the Israelite under the old dispensation under the Mosaic law. It was good, but it gave way to an entirely new way of doing things. This new way of doing things is much better than the old way under the old and the old is now obsolete and faded from view.Hebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
What is the old covenant that is spoke about here?
Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???The old covenant is the life of the Israelite under the old dispensation under the Mosaic law. It was good, but it gave way to an entirely new way of doing things. This new way of doing things is much better than the old way under the old and the old is now obsolete and faded from view.
No Mike, but it did end a bunch of ritual laws that were strictly for the Israelites such as all of the ritual laws and clean and unclean laws to name some. May I remind you that the weekly Sabbath was defined also as a ritual law.Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
So under the Law that Jesus was under when He was here that mosaic Law/covenant law included both the book of laws and the Ten Commandments, one being inside the ark of covenant and one outside it. Both though are as sacred as the other and both are applicable as a whole.No Mike, but it did end a bunch of ritual laws that were strictly for the Israelites such as all of the ritual laws and clean and unclean laws to name some. May I remind you that the weekly Sabbath was defined also as a ritual law.
I wholeheartedly agree. What came out of the mouth of God is just as important as what He wrote with His fnger.So under the Law that Jesus was under when He was here that mosaic Law/covenant law included both the book of laws and the Ten Commandments, one being inside the ark of covenant and one outside it. Both though are as sacred as the other and both are applicable as a whole.
Jeremiah prophesied of the coming of the New Covenant. Jesus fulfilled the requirements of the covenant given at Sinai bringing it to an end at the ✝. He then ratified the new and better covenant with His blood. Covenants contain rules and when a covenant ends so do the rules. Thus, the laws of the covenant given at Sinai ceased.Where in the New Testament after Jesus died was the mosaic covenant divided? Is there scripture to show that the mosaic covenant was separated and one part was still in force. Both though are the mosaic covenant because there was only one mosaic covenant.
AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.No Mike, but it did end a bunch of ritual laws that were strictly for the Israelites such as all of the ritual laws and clean and unclean laws to name some. May I remind you that the weekly Sabbath was defined also as a ritual law.
Matt 15: 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Not that I know of.Are you calling Paul a liar then ???
"For this ye know", I really need to know if you know in your heart before GOD ???
Fair enough Mike. Maybe you can tell us why you can't believe that the Sabbath along with all the other Holy days God gave to the Israelites were ceremonial. We know that laws dealing with morality are how we relate to God and to our fellow man. God's moral laws deal with mankind. Circumcision, new moon cerebration, purification and all the yearly Sabbaths were ceremonial. Just how did the weekly Sabbath morph into a morality issue. The Bible does not indicate between moral and ceremonial, nor does it indicate that the ten commandments were ever called moral. Ellen borrowed that from the Methodists."May I remind you that the weekly Sabbath was defined also as a ritual law.", Your word is not good enough, I need GOD's words saying so.
If GOD defined what foods go into the mouth, then this statement is 100% truth.Matt 15: 11 What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”
AV Lv 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.Fair enough Mike. Maybe you can tell us why you can't believe that the Sabbath along with all the other Holy days God gave to the Israelites were ceremonial. We know that laws dealing with morality are how we relate to God and to our fellow man. God's moral laws deal with mankind. Circumcision, new moon cerebration, purification and all the yearly Sabbaths were ceremonial. Just how did the weekly Sabbath morph into a morality issue. The Bible does not indicate between moral and ceremonial, nor does it indicate that the ten commandments were ever called moral. Ellen borrowed that from the Methodists.
How does a person become "unclean" in the NT Paul's understanding then ???Not that I know of.AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Are you calling Paul a liar then ???
Which unclean law was Paul referring to in Ephesians 5:5?Prologue:
AV Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
AV Ga 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught [it], but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
AV Eph 5:5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.
Are you calling Paul a liar then ???
"For this ye know", I really need to know if you know in your heart before GOD ???
"May I remind you that the weekly Sabbath was defined also as a ritual law.", Your word is not good enough, I need GOD's words saying so.
Yours in Christ, Michael
I wish you had quoted some of the verses prior to 23:32.Prologue:
AV Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The sides are very plain to the people of GOD, in this "war".
AV Lv 23:32 It [shall be] unto you a sabbath of rest, and ye shall afflict your souls: in the ninth [day] of the month at even, from even unto even, shall ye celebrate your sabbath.
AV Lv 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I [am] the LORD.
Plainly the issue is, when GOD uses personal pronouns, many are unable to use the Holy Spirit to draw meaning from GOD's usage to GOD's people.
What I am concerned with is people who twist the context out of God's meanings and words so that they no longer mean what He actually said.Check Question: Where is "my sanctuary" then ??? <<< You realize there is more to this question than you may realize, Right ???
AV Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
The most effective way to deal with the lies the devil tells.
AV Jn 8:42-47 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. 43 Why do ye not understand my speech? [even] because ye cannot hear my word. 44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell [you] the truth, ye believe me not. 46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear [them] not, because ye are not of God.
Jesus was very plain here in his testimony. And the devil's followers that re-tells the devil's lies, Right ???
What do you think, would GOD's people have an advantage with the Holy Spirit to understand GOD's meanings in GOD's own words ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
You tell me, if you understand Paul that well ???Which unclean law was Paul referring to in Ephesians 5:5?
Thank you for this scripture! I will add it to my memory bank on the LAW vs. SPIRITHebrews 8:13
In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
What is the old covenant that is spoke about here?
Please think of this as a parallel universe.I wish you had quoted some of the verses prior to 23:32.
Please answer the question. You bolded and enlarged the phrase "nor unclean person" and I am asking for clarification. Which unclean law(s) was Paul referring to?You tell me, if you understand Paul that well ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
So what came to your mind, physical uncleanness or spiritual uncleanness ???Please answer the question. You bolded and enlarged the phrase "nor unclean person" and I am asking for clarification. Which unclean law(s) was Paul referring to?
If you look at the previous post, you started out with Revelation 12:17, which Adventists always use to support their claim that not observing the Sabbath will be the mark of the beast. You then quoted Leviticus 23:32 and emphasized the word "Sabbath" by bolding and enlarging "Your". You know, your. I pointed out that if you would have read the earlier part of the chapter, you would have realized that what was being referred to was the 10th day of the 7th month, the Day of Atonement, not the 7th day Sabbath. That 10th day was to be a Sabbath.Please think of this as a parallel universe.
The heavenly temple is the spiritual reality, that has been obscured by lies of the devil.
The earthly is a copy we can examine for the truths it contains ABOUT the heavenly reality. Any thinking related to the earthly is a "type".
Most theologians refer to the parallelisms as type and anti-type.
AV Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body [is] of Christ.
Another analogy is "shadow" to the real object casting a shadow.
AV Gn 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
AV Jn 1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
So I ask, what is the real lamb of GOD ??? Definitely not an animal with four legs and goes Baaaahhhh, and we cut it's throat. It is up to us to explore the deeper meanings together.
Later, I need to go.
Yours in Christ, Michael