Still no biblical proof Micheal show me where in the bible the covenant was divided as you say.
Can you show me in the New Testament where going to church on a sunday is a sin?
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Can you show me in the New Testament where going to church on a sunday is a sin?
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TY, e v e !!!these days going at all can cause harm... lol. my goodness.
just from from all the peace and joy (as if such can be gained upon this corrupt earth) .
sabbath means shiloh, rest...and His peace..
and there will be no peace scripture says.... on this earth..
the peace will be at the Change and his 144k are restored Him.
many are wrong with dates... but that is the attitude all His souls needs to have..
of waiting at the door for His return now....ready to go Home...
and to have abandoned this horrible earth
and all its plans and
and its 'life'
and to stay alive Only to go to our Change.
Sabbath looks back to when there was no sin.
In between, Sabbath reminds us that sins are works that defile us all.
Sabbath also looks forward to when there is no sin again.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Prologue:
AV Re 13:6-9 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
How about prophecies by percentage of coverage ???
The day, this is plagiarized for Sunday, is the day the final blasphemy takes place.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Re 13:6-9 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. 9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
How about prophecies by percentage of coverage ???
AV Ex 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.Can you show me in the New Testament where going to church on a sunday is a sin?
The day, this is plagiarized for Sunday, is the day the final blasphemy takes place.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Ex 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.Formersda said:
Can you show me in the New Testament where going to church on a sunday is a sin?
Still nothing in the New Testament then?
This is because you believe that the SDA church has replaced Israel and the promises God’s given to them.The day, this is plagiarized for Sunday, is the day the final blasphemy takes place.
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Prologue:
AV 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
The self deceived are not going to understand this, until it's too late to make a change of authority for themselves.
The short answer is: When man has no longer a free will choice to exercise in choosing GOD's Truth in Jesus Christ.
AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Jesus is/was a Sabbath Keeper in GOD's will, while walking on earth, before the blood of the covenant was given "for the remission of sins".
Let me know, If you need me to expand the answer for you. This is good to anyone needing help.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV 1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.
AV 1C 11:27-29 Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink [this] cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. 28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of [that] bread, and drink of [that] cup. 29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.what say ye is the final blasphemy
The self deceived are not going to understand this, until it's too late to make a change of authority for themselves.
The short answer is: When man has no longer a free will choice to exercise in choosing GOD's Truth in Jesus Christ.
AV Mt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Jesus is/was a Sabbath Keeper in GOD's will, while walking on earth, before the blood of the covenant was given "for the remission of sins".
Your Welcomed !!!thank you in advance.
Let me know, If you need me to expand the answer for you. This is good to anyone needing help.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Prologue:
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Who here thinks GOD lied to Moses ???
Maybe you should stop making this about me, and make it about GOD.
AV Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Answer me this, Eternal life is judged out of the Lamb's book of Life, How many books are there ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
Who here thinks GOD lied to Moses ???
Just your opinion !!!This is because you believe that the SDA church has replaced Israel and the promises God’s given to them.
Maybe you should stop making this about me, and make it about GOD.
AV Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Answer me this, Eternal life is judged out of the Lamb's book of Life, How many books are there ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV Jn 16:7-15 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.AV Ex 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Still nothing in the New Testament then?
Those who belong to GOD, has the Holy Spirit guiding them, so a NT law about sabbath is unnecessary.
"Still nothing in the New Testament then?", Should I assume that the NT Holy "Spirit of truth" does not guide you yet, in some things ???
Ananias and Sapphira suffered the consequences of knowingly lying about their actions to the Holy Spirit with the Apostles.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Jesus was also circumcised and observed all of the Jewish feasts and festivals. Jesus ate the Paschal Lamb. Jesus was born a Jew under the Law. That Law was a tutor which could not impart life, but was to lead people to Christ so that we could justified by faith. Once Christ came, people were no longer under that tutor, the Law.Jesus is/was a Sabbath Keeper in GOD's will, while walking on earth, before the blood of the covenant was given "for the remission of sins".
Micheal do you have children?AV Jn 16:7-15 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
Those who belong to GOD, has the Holy Spirit guiding them, so a NT law about sabbath is unnecessary.
"Still nothing in the New Testament then?", Should I assume that the NT Holy "Spirit of truth" does not guide you yet, in some things ???
Ananias and Sapphira suffered the consequences of knowingly lying about their actions to the Holy Spirit with the Apostles.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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If the Holy Spirit is guiding Adventists, how come Ellen White wrote so much about how to keep the Sabbath? Why did your church not realize that 6pm to 6pm was wrong and that it was to be sunset to sunset? Why the hub-bub in the church about Samoa and the change of the International Date Line? How come Adventist preachers, publications, schools, etc., spend so much time on how to keep the Sabbath or why it is required? Does this mean that all of the Christians that your church tries to convert to Adventism do not have the Holy Spirit guiding them and so they have to be told about it? If the Law is written on the hearts of believers, how come they have to be told about the Sabbath? Why do some Adventists feel that it is ok to eat out for Sabbath dinner while others do not? Why do some feel that riding a bike is ok, while others do not? If the Holy Spirit is leading Adventists, why do they not all agree on these things?AV Jn 16:7-15 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. 8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: 9 Of sin, because they believe not on me; 10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more; 11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged. 12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now. 13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, [that] shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew [it] unto you.
Those who belong to GOD, has the Holy Spirit guiding them, so a NT law about sabbath is unnecessary.
"Still nothing in the New Testament then?", Should I assume that the NT Holy "Spirit of truth" does not guide you yet, in some things ???
Ananias and Sapphira suffered the consequences of knowingly lying about their actions to the Holy Spirit with the Apostles.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Yes, so what is the point you want to make ???Micheal do you have children?
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV 1C 3:16-17 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.If the Holy Spirit is guiding Adventists, how come Ellen White wrote so much about how to keep the Sabbath? Why did your church not realize that 6pm to 6pm was wrong and that it was to be sunset to sunset? Why the hub-bub in the church about Samoa and the change of the International Date Line? How come Adventist preachers, publications, schools, etc., spend so much time on how to keep the Sabbath or why it is required? Does this mean that all of the Christians that your church tries to convert to Adventism do not have the Holy Spirit guiding them and so they have to be told about it? If the Law is written on the hearts of believers, how come they have to be told about the Sabbath? Why do some Adventists feel that it is ok to eat out for Sabbath dinner while others do not? Why do some feel that riding a bike is ok, while others do not? If the Holy Spirit is leading Adventists, why do they not all agree on these things?
GOD's Free will choice is to everyone to decide for themselves.
AV Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy [against] the [Holy] Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
Jesus' warning to anyone who 'blasphem'e "the [Holy] Ghost" !!!
In the which, defiles a person's temple of GOD. Being readied for destruction, after the judgment.
AV Mt 5:1-2 And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him: 2 And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying, ...
AV Mt 7:13-14 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide [is] the gate, and broad [is] the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait [is] the gate, and narrow [is] the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
A wide gate exists in every field of GOD(in this case, Jesus was addressing Jews), Adventists are no exception. But being an Adventist, you should knows these warnings from EGW for the Adventist flock.
"If the Holy Spirit is leading Adventists, why do they not all agree on these things?", This logic applies to all Spirit filled Christians, Do you get that now ???
AV Ezk 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, [were] in it, [as] I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall [but] deliver their own souls by their righteousness.
Salvation is an individual by individual judgment by GOD.
Many need to understand what GOD offers in OUR salvation choices !!!
Many will go to damnation, not understanding salvation properly from GOD.
Yours in Christ, Michael
The point I want to make is this, I have probably like you bought my children many gifts over the years. My daughter likes iced tea for instance so sometimes when I’m in the store I buy it for her because I love her and I know it will make her happy. My son when he was young liked toy cars and I bought him some with the same principle.Yes, so what is the point you want to make ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
I gift it to her with no conditions whatsoever, I have never gifted anything to my children with conditions attached. They don’t have to work for my love or my gifts because it’s a given I’m their parent and that’s what parents do when they love their children. They don’t earn that gift through working for it.
The same is the gift of salvation it’s a gift from God, He gives it freely because He loves us. There are no preconditions to it and we don’t work for it, it’s a gift from our Father to whom we are His children. And we don’t earn that gift through works.
And we cannot lose that gift either, just like I have never taken back a gift from my children because of something they have done wrong, that gift of salvation is irreversible.
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Prologue:
AV Mt 12:3637 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
"And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", ONLY in your opinion !!! So you do believe OSAS then ???
GOD's Word calls many liars(The sin of a false witness against GOD), to GOD's Word. Many will never experience an eternal life with GOD, as a false witness to GOD's Love and Truth.
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
So, GOD is so gutless to not follow through on GOD's Word/Testimony in Truth and Love, which makes GOD a liar by their own testimony ???
In this question above has an unstated assumption, do you know what it is ???
AV 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Sounds like a "doctrines of devils" about what GOD will and/or will not do.
Anyone failing to "He that overcometh", will be blotted out of the Book of Life, in Jesus' own words !!!
So you do not believe Jesus' own words, Right ???
I have other words of Jesus, to address that conclusion of "And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", if you need to be told more than once by Jesus.
Yours in Christ, Michael
AV Mt 12:3637 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
"And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", ONLY in your opinion !!! So you do believe OSAS then ???
GOD's Word calls many liars(The sin of a false witness against GOD), to GOD's Word. Many will never experience an eternal life with GOD, as a false witness to GOD's Love and Truth.
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
So, GOD is so gutless to not follow through on GOD's Word/Testimony in Truth and Love, which makes GOD a liar by their own testimony ???
In this question above has an unstated assumption, do you know what it is ???
AV 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Sounds like a "doctrines of devils" about what GOD will and/or will not do.
AV Re 3:5-6 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.And we cannot lose that gift either, just like I have never taken back a gift from my children because of something they have done wrong, that gift of salvation is irreversible.
Anyone failing to "He that overcometh", will be blotted out of the Book of Life, in Jesus' own words !!!
So you do not believe Jesus' own words, Right ???
I have other words of Jesus, to address that conclusion of "And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", if you need to be told more than once by Jesus.
Yours in Christ, Michael
Well we know can’t ascribe to the OSAS because of your investigative judgementPrologue:
AV Mt 12:3637 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
"And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", ONLY in your opinion !!! So you do believe OSAS then ???
GOD's Word calls many liars(The sin of a false witness against GOD), to GOD's Word. Many will never experience an eternal life with GOD, as a false witness to GOD's Love and Truth.
AV Ex 32:32-33 Yet now, if thou wilt forgive their sin--; and if not, blot me, I pray thee, out of thy book which thou hast written. 33 And the LORD said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.
So, GOD is so gutless to not follow through on GOD's Word/Testimony in Truth and Love, which makes GOD a liar by their own testimony ???
In this question above has an unstated assumption, do you know what it is ???
AV 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Sounds like a "doctrines of devils" about what GOD will and/or will not do.
AV Re 3:5-6 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels. 6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
Anyone failing to "He that overcometh", will be blotted out of the Book of Life, in Jesus' own words !!!
So you do not believe Jesus' own words, Right ???
I have other words of Jesus, to address that conclusion of "And we cannot lose that gift either, ..., that gift of salvation is irreversible.", if you need to be told more than once by Jesus.
Yours in Christ, Michael
However others can because of what Jesus says.
John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.
John 3:18 He who believes in Him is not judged, he who does not believe in Him is already judged, because he has not believed in the only begotten Son of God.
John 10:27,28 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
and I give eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of My hand.
These are just some amongst many, but Michael it is against Jesus own teachings to teach something that is opposite to what He says.
The ones who get blotted out where never believers in the first place.
Its a gift from God Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 8:1 Therefore there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Romans 8:33 who will bring a charge against Gods elect? God is the one who justifies.
Are you trying to in your impure mind bring a charge against Gods elect?
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You missed out the best verses here Michael,AV 1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
1 Tim 4:1-5
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3who forbidmarriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefullyshared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5for it is sanctifiedby means of the word of God and prayer.
Your church preaches food laws which do not apply, so by these verses alone you teach doctrines of demons
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How come Seventh-day Adventists aren't obeying this command and killing members that break the Sabbath?AV Ex 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
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Simple, SDA Church is not a Theocracy. GOD's started the OC for COI as a Theocracy, at that time of the verse.How come Seventh-day Adventists aren't obeying this command and killing members that break the Sabbath?AV Ex 31:14-15 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it [is] holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth [any] work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. 15 Six days may work be done; but in the seventh [is] the sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD: whosoever doeth [any] work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
This is one of those questions, you should have known the answer to.
While we are on this tangent of the topic: TY @Common Tater for prompting this part of the discussion.
AV Re 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
A Theocracy will give a death penalty for violating Sundays.
Yours in Christ, Michael
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AV Isa 66:16-17 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many. 17 They that sanctify themselves, and purify themselves in the gardens behind one [tree] in the midst, eating swine's flesh, and the abomination, and the mouse, shall be consumed together, saith the LORD.Your church preaches food laws which do not apply, so by these verses alone you teach doctrines of demons
Let us be perfectly clear, I will NEVER put yours words above GOD's words, by order of precedence.
I expect GOD to fulfill GOD's Word to this world. I'm afraid, you will learn an eternal lesson the hard way about GOD's Word.
So you expect GOD to fulfill your word over GOD's, making GOD a liar again ???
Yours in Christ, Michael
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Time will tell the Truth about who knew what and when ...1 Tim 4:1-5
1But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, 3who forbidmarriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefullyshared in by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; 5for it is sanctifiedby means of the word of God and prayer.
{Additional Emphasis by SDAchristian}
Yours in Christ, Michael