Old Covenant

Formersda

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Prologue:
AV Ac 7:51-52 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers [did], so [do] ye. 52 Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
AV Ac 7:55-58 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, 56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord, 58 And cast [him] out of the city, and stoned [him]: and the witnesses laid down their clothes at a young man's feet, whose name was Saul.

Salvation History has this sad way of repeating itself, with different details.

AV Jn 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

"So you have special privilege to judge?", So following Jesus' words are an issue again ???

AV Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

"Who gave you that privilege?", The GODhead !!!

AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

"Is this privilege something only you have?", Everyone has a free will choice(or judgment over themselves) from GOD.

AV 1C 6:2-3 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? 3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

"Where in the bible does it say that?", Answer Paul's question, if you know that you are a "saint" ???

Can I know, that I can be like Jesus then ???

A Judgment like this, is easy for those who do not know(or "do always resist the Holy Ghost") the Holy Spirit.

AV Mt 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.

As I have said before paraphrasing Jesus, "Goats do not recognize Jesus in the sheep."

AV Jn 17:20-22 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; 21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, [art] in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. 22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

The Comforter understands the oneness relationship between man and GOD.

AV Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, [which is] the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
AV Jn 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
AV Jn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The Comforter helps others to know Jesus' words too.

Yours in Christ, Michael
So really what your saying is you can judge but we can’t judge because we are not as “righteous “ as you? We don’t have the “truth“ that you have? Who holds truth Michael? Is it God and His word?

You are the most righteous person then Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV 1C 10:11-12 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.
You can wait for it, I won’t be there as I’ll be with Jesus because of the rapture.
Pre-Tribulation(plagues) Rapture: Another great cognitive dissonance, in the works for some.

Possibly another reason to turn on the more righteous(covered by the blood) living through till the end of the plagues, like Israel did in the type. Pharaoh the sun worshiper(Because the death of his first born by his own word.) wanted them dead so much.

Is there a parallel, that many are missing here ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
So really what your saying is you can judge but we can’t judge because we are not as “righteous “ as you? We don’t have the “truth“ that you have? Who holds truth Michael? Is it God and His word?
What many missed is, I quote GOD's words that judge their actions/works. So the end decision, is that person's will to submit to GOD's will.
You are the most righteous person then Michael
AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Nope, I confessed sins where I fell short of Jesus' example.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 
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SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV 1C 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
AV 1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
You can sit and be persecuted for your unrighteousness as the end times is about God pouring out His wrath on this earth.
You are teaching another gospel .
Another opinion for all of us to view !!!

AV Ja 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Accusation without evidence, again. So which law of the "lawgiver", did I violate ???

So the Gospel is not about the judgment of sin, the redemption from sin and sin's eradication ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Formersda

Active member
Prologue:
AV 1C 15:56 The sting of death [is] sin; and the strength of sin [is] the law.
AV 1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

Another opinion for all of us to view !!!

AV Ja 4:12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Accusation without evidence, again. So which law of the "lawgiver", did I violate ???

So the Gospel is not about the judgment of sin, the redemption from sin and sin's eradication ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
The gospel is that Jesus died for sins according to Scripture, was buried and rose again according to scripture.

Thats the gospel, Jesus died for our sins end of
 

Formersda

Active member
What many missed is, I quote GOD's words that judge their actions/works. So the end decision, is that person's will to submit to GOD's will.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Nope, I confessed sins where I fell short of Jesus' example.

Yours in Christ, Michael
And again your assuming no one else has submitted to God. And we are not to judge other believers.

We are all chosen by God, it is Gods choice who He saves, it’s not for you to make that decision. He knew me before I was formed and choose me. You cannot judge Gods decision.
 

Formersda

Active member
Prologue:
AV 1C 10:11-12 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Pre-Tribulation(plagues) Rapture: Another great cognitive dissonance, in the works for some.

Possibly another reason to turn on the more righteous(covered by the blood) living through till the end of the plagues, like Israel did in the type. Pharaoh the sun worshiper(Because the death of his first born by his own word.) wanted them dead so much.

Is there a parallel, that many are missing here ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?
God has always saved the remnant, Gods wrath is never against believers
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
Prologue:
AV Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?
God has always saved the remnant, Gods wrath is never against believers
AV Ro 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So do we get to pick and choose, out of Jesus' GOD 'control'ed life, what to follow or not ???

AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

"Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?", Choose wisely the one, we want to follow or control our life. I will follow Jesus to church, on GOD's "my holy day". Shortly, fulfilling prophecies will reveal the Truth of who's we are.

So who is following 'Satan's lies, or who is following GOD's Truth ???

So when did GOD's "my holy day" become unholy or untruthful, with GOD's own words ??? <<< Is GOD, in control of GOD's own opinion ???

Maybe we need to consider this, the world is reduced to sheep and goats, both groups claim to be following Jesus, and Jesus takes only the sheep to heaven.

AV Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
AV Mt 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The self deceived goats have to be told why by Jesus.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Paul had his version of recognizing Jesus too !!! Denial of Jesus' spiritual perfect life is found in a number of places.

AV Hb 10:29-31 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

"the blood of the covenant", Kept corporate worship and fellowship on sabbath with GOD's people in righteousness.

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
The gospel is that Jesus died for sins according to Scripture, was buried and rose again according to scripture.
Thats the gospel, Jesus died for our sins end of
Four Things:

1. Which scriptures confirm your chosen words of defining the Gospel ???
2. Who controls the definition of "sins", in the Gospel ???
3. What sins did Jesus' blood paid for, in the Gospel ???
4. In the sanctuary in heaven, is the Gospel ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Formersda

Active member
Four Things:

1. Which scriptures confirm your chosen words of defining the Gospel ???
2. Who controls the definition of "sins", in the Gospel ???
3. What sins did Jesus' blood paid for, in the Gospel ???
4. In the sanctuary in heaven, is the Gospel ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
1) I have stated this over and over but here’s the gospel
1st Corinthians 15:1-4
2)Jesus
3) Jesus paid for all sins
4) whats the question
 

SDAchristian

Well-known member
1) I have stated this over and over but here’s the gospel
1st Corinthians 15:1-4
AV 1C 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:", Do you see baptism here, or keeping resurrection day memorial every week, as the Gospel, with Bible sources ???

Just the beginning of discussions ...

Yours in Christ, Michael
 

Formersda

Active member
AV 1C 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:", Do you see baptism here, or keeping resurrection day memorial every week, as the Gospel, with Bible sources ???

Just the beginning of discussions ...

Yours in Christ, Michael
You asked me what the gospel is I responded.

No I don’t see anything else as the gospel, you can’t add words to scripture, I answered your question your adding words I didn’t put.
 

JonHawk

Active member
AV Ro 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
For he has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; Col 1
AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.
And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4
 

e v e

Super Member
For he has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; Col 1

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4
the veiling is because of esau,
not by God

and relates to the curse and daniel’s vision being sealed.
 

Seeker

New Member
For he has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; Col 1

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4
Sorry…don’t need you to force feed us scripture….just enter a conversation please, rather than force scripture down others throat.
 

JonHawk

Active member
Sorry…don’t need you to force feed us scripture….just enter a conversation please, rather than force scripture down others throat.
SDAchristian said:
Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???

Yours in Christ, Michael
Your reply suggest you don’t have a firm grasp of what a covenant is. but you’ve been here for years posting on the SDA forum.
Why don't you come out and say it, instead of keeping it to yourself.


And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:15
 

Seeker

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SDAchristian said:
Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Why don't you come out and say it, instead of keeping it to yourself.


And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:15
JonHawk…are you and Michael one and the same?

Hey JonHawk….check this out. This should tell you what sin is according to the new convent . Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 1John 3:4

The practice has its beginning even before the Old Covenant….so the covenants didn’t change the definition of sin.
 

JonHawk

Active member
JonHawk…are you and Michael one and the same?
Now you're going off the deep end Seer.

Mike promotes a righteousness of his own through the works of the law, whereas I promote the righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

Hey JonHawk….check this out. This should tell you what sin is according to the new convent . Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 1John 3:4

The practice has its beginning even before the Old Covenant….so the covenants didn’t change the definition of sin.

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door;
 
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