Old Covenant

[Formersda]

What many missed is, I quote GOD's words that judge their actions/works. So the end decision, is that person's will to submit to GOD's will.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Nope, I confessed sins where I fell short of Jesus' example.

Yours in Christ, Michael

And again your assuming no one else has submitted to God. And we are not to judge other believers.

We are all chosen by God, it is Gods choice who He saves, it’s not for you to make that decision. He knew me before I was formed and choose me. You cannot judge Gods decision.

 

[Formersda]

Prologue:
AV 1C 10:11-12 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come. 12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.

Pre-Tribulation(plagues) Rapture: Another great cognitive dissonance, in the works for some.

Possibly another reason to turn on the more righteous(covered by the blood) living through till the end of the plagues, like Israel did in the type. Pharaoh the sun worshiper(Because the death of his first born by his own word.) wanted them dead so much.

Is there a parallel, that many are missing here ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?
God has always saved the remnant, Gods wrath is never against believers

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Lk 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.

Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?
God has always saved the remnant, Gods wrath is never against believers

AV Ro 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

So do we get to pick and choose, out of Jesus' GOD 'control'ed life, what to follow or not ???

AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

"Who is the one who is in control of life events? Is it God or Satan?", Choose wisely the one, we want to follow or control our life. I will follow Jesus to church, on GOD's "my holy day". Shortly, fulfilling prophecies will reveal the Truth of who's we are.

So who is following 'Satan's lies, or who is following GOD's Truth ???

So when did GOD's "my holy day" become unholy or untruthful, with GOD's own words ??? <<< Is GOD, in control of GOD's own opinion ???

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Maybe we need to consider this, the world is reduced to sheep and goats, both groups claim to be following Jesus, and Jesus takes only the sheep to heaven.

AV Mt 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
AV Mt 25:45-46 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

The self deceived goats have to be told why by Jesus.

AV 1C 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.

Paul had his version of recognizing Jesus too !!! Denial of Jesus' spiritual perfect life is found in a number of places.

AV Hb 10:29-31 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance [belongeth] unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31 [It is] a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

"the blood of the covenant", Kept corporate worship and fellowship on sabbath with GOD's people in righteousness.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

The gospel is that Jesus died for sins according to Scripture, was buried and rose again according to scripture.
Thats the gospel, Jesus died for our sins end of

Four Things:

1. Which scriptures confirm your chosen words of defining the Gospel ???
2. Who controls the definition of "sins", in the Gospel ???
3. What sins did Jesus' blood paid for, in the Gospel ???
4. In the sanctuary in heaven, is the Gospel ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

Four Things:

1. Which scriptures confirm your chosen words of defining the Gospel ???
2. Who controls the definition of "sins", in the Gospel ???
3. What sins did Jesus' blood paid for, in the Gospel ???
4. In the sanctuary in heaven, is the Gospel ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

1) I have stated this over and over but here’s the gospel
1st Corinthians 15:1-4
2)Jesus
3) Jesus paid for all sins
4) whats the question

 

[SDAchristian]

1) I have stated this over and over but here’s the gospel
1st Corinthians 15:1-4

AV 1C 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:", Do you see baptism here, or keeping resurrection day memorial every week, as the Gospel, with Bible sources ???

Just the beginning of discussions ...

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[Formersda]

AV 1C 15:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

"And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:", Do you see baptism here, or keeping resurrection day memorial every week, as the Gospel, with Bible sources ???

Just the beginning of discussions ...

Yours in Christ, Michael

You asked me what the gospel is I responded.

No I don’t see anything else as the gospel, you can’t add words to scripture, I answered your question your adding words I didn’t put.

 

[JonHawk]

AV Ro 8:28-29 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. 29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

For he has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; Col 1

AV Jn 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself.

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4

 

[Seeker]

For he has delivered us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.
15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation; Col 1

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. 4 The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 2 Cor 4

Sorry…don’t need you to force feed us scripture….just enter a conversation please, rather than force scripture down others throat.

 

[Seeker]

Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Your reply suggest you don’t have a firm grasp of what a covenant is. but you’ve been here for years posting on the SDA forum.

 

[JonHawk]

Sorry…don’t need you to force feed us scripture….just enter a conversation please, rather than force scripture down others throat.

SDAchristian said:
Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Your reply suggest you don’t have a firm grasp of what a covenant is. but you’ve been here for years posting on the SDA forum.

Why don't you come out and say it, instead of keeping it to yourself.


And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:15

 

[Seeker]

SDAchristian said:
Quiz Question: Did the change of covenants, changed the definite of sin ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

Why don't you come out and say it, instead of keeping it to yourself.


And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. Hebrews 9:15

JonHawk…are you and Michael one and the same?

Hey JonHawk….check this out. This should tell you what sin is according to the new convent . Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 1John 3:4

The practice has its beginning even before the Old Covenant….so the covenants didn’t change the definition of sin.

 

[JonHawk]

JonHawk…are you and Michael one and the same?

Now you're going off the deep end Seer.

Mike promotes a righteousness of his own through the works of the law, whereas I promote the righteousness through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe.

Hey JonHawk….check this out. This should tell you what sin is according to the new convent . Everyone who makes a practice of sinning also practices lawlessness; sin is lawlessness. 1John 3:4

The practice has its beginning even before the Old Covenant….so the covenants didn’t change the definition of sin.

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door;

 

[SDAchristian]

JonHawk…are you and Michael one and the same?

@JonHawk is a formerSDA, I{SDAchristian} am currently a church member(Elder, Deacon, Lay Pastor, Literature Evangelist, Apologist, etc.) in good standing, that gives the message in church regularly.

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[SDAchristian]

so what is the sermon?

I have a lot of them.

When will we get it right, That GOD is ALWAYS Right ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[JonHawk]

@JonHawk is a formerSDA, I{SDAchristian} am currently a church member(Elder, Deacon, Lay Pastor, Literature Evangelist, Apologist, etc.) in good standing, that gives the message in church regularly.

good to know

so what is the sermon?

Mike's message is the same as his mentor's, it's not of faith:

"They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all-sufficient; that the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinner's credentials; that this imputed righteousness fulfils the law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. “I am saved,” they will repeat over and over again. But are they saved while transgressing the law of Jehovah?—No; for the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling-block as he did to the Jews" EGW ST 1897

Nor by works:

Man can achieve no praiseworthy exploits that give him any glory. Men are in the habit of glorifying men and exalting men. It makes me shudder....They are corrupt, polluted, vile; and nothing that comes from all their doings can elevate them with God, for all that they do is an abomination in His sight; EGW FW 24

Much to the contrary.

"Poor tempest tossed soul, only believe in Jesus."

 

[JonHawk]

Mike's message is the same as his mentor's, it's not of faith:

"They declare that we have only to believe on Jesus Christ, and that faith is all-sufficient; that the righteousness of Christ is to be the sinner's credentials; that this imputed righteousness fulfils the law for us, and that we are under no obligation to obey the law of God. This class claim that Christ came to save sinners, and that he has saved them. “I am saved,” they will repeat over and over again. But are they saved while transgressing the law of Jehovah?—No; for the garments of Christ's righteousness are not a cloak for iniquity. Such teaching is a gross deception, and Christ becomes to these persons a stumbling-block as he did to the Jews" EGW ST 1897

Nor by works:

Man can achieve no praiseworthy exploits that give him any glory. Men are in the habit of glorifying men and exalting men. It makes me shudder....They are corrupt, polluted, vile; and nothing that comes from all their doings can elevate them with God, for all that they do is an abomination in His sight; EGW FW 24

Much to the contrary.

"Poor tempest tossed soul, only believe in Jesus."

who is an elder?

Do you thus deal with the Lord, O foolish and unwise people?
Is He not your Father, who bought you?Has He not made you and established you?
Remember the days of old, Consider the years of many generations.
Ask your your elders, and they will tell you: When the Most High divided their inheritance to the nations,
When He separated the sons of Adam, He set the boundaries of the peoples
According to the number of the children of Israel. Deut 32

 

[SDAchristian]

Prologue:
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

It is impossible to outwit Divinity's judgment in Omniscience.

Mike's message is the same as his mentor's, it's not of faith:

You are entitled to express your opinion within the discussion rules of CARM. Truth or not, will be GOD's to judge.

A spiritual mentor is someone who cares about you and wants the best for you. They know that the most important thing in life is to have a personal relationship with Christ, so they encourage you to invest in this relationship. As a result, you can grow spiritually and become mature in your faith.

So you understand what a "mentor" is, Who is your "mentor" then ???

Yours in Christ, Michael

 

[JonHawk]

For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.

Prologue:
AV Mt 12:36-37 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

It is impossible to outwit Divinity's judgment in Omniscience.

You are entitled to express your opinion within the discussion rules of CARM. Truth or not, will be GOD's to judge.

So you understand what a "mentor" is, Who is your "mentor" then ???

'They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to Me.

 

[SDAchristian]

If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door;

AV Gn 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Is GOD's testimony to Cain, still True ???

The sin of sabbath breaking relationship in GOD's Ownership from Creatorship, is ruling in a lot of people since Cain.

Just like Cain, they will kill when tempted. When GOD accepted Abel's worship offering, but not Cain's worship offering.

A Thought in chiastic form from scriptures: What will people choose, when GOD accepts sabbath worship over Sunday worship, in the end days ???

The same as Cain's choice ???

Yours in Christ, Michael