Once saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, who never makes mistakes and loses any that He saves, always saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

keiw

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Those that are raptured prior to the tribulation will not see death.
Only the remaining little flock= very few on earth go to heaven during the tribulation. The great crowd remains on earth and are brought through.( Matt 24:22, Prov 2:21-22)
 

SavedByTheLord

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Only the remaining little flock= very few on earth go to heaven during the tribulation. The great crowd remains on earth and are brought through.( Matt 24:22, Prov 2:21-22)
Many will be saved during the tribulation and many will die in the tribulation.
But as you posted many are brought through it.

So, how many are raptured?
 

keiw

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Many will be saved during the tribulation and many will die in the tribulation.
But as you posted many are brought through it.

So, how many are raptured?
There are very few of the little flock( 144,000) on earth, most lived in Jesus, day or shortly after that.
Most misconstrue Acts 16:30-31-- That is a partial truth--Matt 7:21-23-these all believe yet the ones who work iniquity will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. They will not be saved even though they believe. Believing and obeying is the whole truth on the matter of being saved.
 

SavedByTheLord

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There are very few of the little flock( 144,000) on earth, most lived in Jesus, day or shortly after that.
Most misconstrue Acts 16:30-31-- That is a partial truth--Matt 7:21-23-these all believe yet the ones who work iniquity will hear those words from Jesus as judgement. They will not be saved even though they believe. Believing and obeying is the whole truth on the matter of being saved.
The ones in Matthew 7:21-23 were never saved because they trusted in their works.
 

SavedByTheLord

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They still believe. They didn't obey.
No their faith did not count toward being saved at all because they trusted in works.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. - Romans 4:5
 

keiw

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No their faith did not count toward being saved at all because they trusted in works.

But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. - Romans 4:5
Obeying is 95% of all of it.
 

Howie

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Saved forever through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, the gospel of Christ and His blood

So it the power of God unto salvation. So when did God's power fail?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. - Rom 1:16

1 ... I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, .... 2 By which also ye are saved, .... 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: - 1 Cor 15:1-4

30 ... Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,... - Acts 16:30-31

22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe ... 23 ... 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. - Acts 3:22-26

In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, - Eph 1:13

In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; - Eph 1:7

In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: - Col 1:14

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin. - 1 John 1:7

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, - Rev 1:5

17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect. 18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God. 21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. 22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: 23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; - 1 Cor 1:17-18,21-23

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. - John 3:14-18

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. - John 3:36

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. - John 6:47

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. - John 6:39-40

I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture. - John 10:9

25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? - John 11:25-26

But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. - John 20:31

These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. - 1 John 5:13

Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. - Heb 13:5

38 Be it known unto you therefore, men and brethren, that through this man is preached unto you the forgiveness of sins: 39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. - Acts 13:38-39

For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. - Rom 4:3

28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. - John 10:28-29

For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord - Rom 6:23


For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Cor 5:21

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. - Rom 5:8-9

Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ: - Rom 5:1

This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. - 1 Tim 1:15

And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission. - Heb 9:22

The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. - John 1:29

Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. - Heb 7:25

38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. 39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) - John 7:38-39

For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. - Rom 11:29

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. - Eph 2:13

And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; … - Col 1:20

Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: - 1 Pet 1:18-19

Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: - Gal 3:13

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. - Romans 6:14

And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. - Ephesians 4:24

See also: Rom 1:17, Rom 1:5, Rom 1:8, Rom 1:12, Rom 3:27, Rom 3:28, Rom 3:30, Rom 4:3, Rom 4:5, Rom 4:9, Rom 4:11, Rom 4:12, Rom 4:13, Rom 4:14, Rom 4:16, Rom 4:17, Rom 4:18, Rom 4:19, Rom 4:20, Rom 4:21, Rom 4:22, Rom 4:24, Rom 5:2, Rom 5:10-11, Rom 5:15-21, Rom 8:1-2, Rom 9:30-33, Rom 10:6-17, Rom 14:1, Rom 16:26, 1 Cor 2:2, 1 Cor 15:11, 2 Cor 4:3-4, 2 Cor 4:5, 2 Cor 5:7, 2 Cor 5:17-21, Gal 1:4, Gal 2:16, Gal 2:20, Gal 3:2, Gal 3:5, Gal 3:6-9, Gal 3:11, Gal 3:14, Gal 3:22, Gal 3:24, Gal 5:5-6, Eph 1:19, Eph 3:17-19, Phil 3:9, Col 2:5-7, Col 2:20, 1 Thess 1:9, 1 Thess 2:13, 1 Thess 4:14, 2 Thess 1:10, 2 Thess 2:13-14, 1 Tim 3:16, 1 Tim 4:10, 2 Tim 1:9-10, 2 Tim 2:10, 2 Tim 3:15, Titus 2:11-14, Titus 3:5-7, Phile 1:5-6, Heb 4:2-3, Heb 10:10, Heb 10:14, James 2:23, 1 Pet 1:3-5, 1 Pet 1:9, 1 Pet 1:23, 1 Pet 2:6, 1 Pet 2:24, 1 Pet 3:18, 2 Pet 1:1, 1 John 2:2, 1 John 2:25, 1 John 3:16, 1 John 4:10, 1 John 4:14-15, 1 John 5:5, 1 John 5:20, Jude 1:3, Rev 22:17, John 5:24-25, John 6:29, John 6:35, John 6:44, John 6:68, John 20:29, Acts 5:12, Acts 11:14-15, Acts 11:17, Acts 13:38-39, Gen 15:6
God's power failed? Is that a doctrine of KJV onlyists?
 

SavedByTheLord

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You asked "if God's power failed;" whom were you asking that question.
It was a rhetorical question. and the answer is never.

So it the power of God unto salvation. So when did God's power fail?

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. - Rom 1:16

And the title of the OP is

Once saved by the Lord Jesus Christ, who never makes mistakes and loses any that He saves, always saved by the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

Our Lord's God

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In Exodus 32:33 who said that they were saved?
David sinned, is he is hell? No
Have you sinned? Are you going to hell?
Lying is a sin.
When was Christ born?
What day of the week was He crucified?
Is infant baptism from God?
are new versions corrupted?
is Paul the apostle of the Gentiles?
How old is the earth?

BTW, if someone sins, how do they get “saved” again?

Must they be born again again?
and if they sin again, how do they get “saved“ again?
Must they be born again again again?
If they sin 10 times after being “saved”, must they be born again again again again again again again again again again?

BTW, why in the NT is there no statement that says, SoAndSo lost their salvation and is going to hell?

And when the Philippian jailor and his family got saved, why were they not scared to death after Paul warned them that although they were save just one sin will put them in everlasting fire?

Go and read Hebrews 9:28 ten more times and ask yourself why Jesus will SAVE those who are waiting for him.
 

SavedByTheLord

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Go and read Hebrews 9:28 ten more times and ask yourself why Jesus will SAVE those who are waiting for him.
Well everyone who is saved waits to see Jesus Christ when they die and they do.
Many of the saved also are waiting for rapture although some will die before that happens.
Others will be alive at the rapture and see Him then.
Some who will be saved in the tribulation are waiting to see Christ return but some will die and some will make it alive thru the trib.
But what exactly are you referring to?
 

Our Lord's God

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Well everyone who is saved waits to see Jesus Christ when they die and they do.

Hebrews 9:28 isn't talking about when you die. It is talking about the return of Christ on Judgment Day and those who are waiting for him to save them.

Many of the saved also are waiting for rapture although some will die before that happens.
Others will be alive at the rapture and see Him then.
Some who will be saved in the tribulation are waiting to see Christ return but some will die and some will make it alive thru the trib.
But what exactly are you referring to?

If you were actually listening, you should already know.
 

SavedByTheLord

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Hebrews 9:28 isn't talking about when you die. It is talking about the return of Christ on Judgment Day and those who are waiting for him to save them.



If you were actually listening, you should already know.
Actually all the saved will not be at judgement,
All are sins were judged at the cross and we are already saved forever.

Therefore everyone who is saved waits to see Jesus Christ when they die and they do.
Many of the saved also are waiting for rapture although some will die before that happens.
Others will be alive at the rapture and see Him then.

BTW, we the saved get to judge the world and angels.
 

Our Lord's God

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Actually all the saved will not be at judgement,

The Bible states otherwise. EVERY soul will be impartially judged by works.

All are sins were judged at the cross and we are already saved forever.

Therefore everyone who is saved waits to see Jesus Christ when they die and they do.
Many of the saved also are waiting for rapture although some will die before that happens.
Others will be alive at the rapture and see Him then.

BTW, we the saved get to judge the world and angels.
 
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