One example of why capitalism is bad. The "plandemic" being fueled by greed/power.....

ferengi

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You asking me? lol. I don't have their talking points pamphlets. When a country really enters socialism, a lot of people get cranky loosing the stuff and their freed. science has proven socialists do not get flak and resistance from their working classes when they are dead.
No - not directed at you.
 

wiseones2cents

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Is that what I said? You mentioned the Amish not I. A example of your perfect socialist society.
Yes. I demonstrated that these things do not exist in a socialist commune. And you mentioned electricity and cars. And I pointed out that even if they did have electricity and cars, those things associated with capitalism would still not exist. Capish?

I did not say the Amish lifestyle is a perfect example of a socialist society. You did. I stated their way of living is more economically humane. And does not have the scourges of capitalism caused by greed. Ex: poverty, slavery, wars, malnutrition(which leads to genetic disorders), starvation, etc..
 

wiseones2cents

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Ask him how many people died of starvation in the Ukraine in the 30's under that great socialist society called the Soviet Union.
You swallowed capitalist propoganda.

The Soviet Union was more closer to state capitalism than socialism. Just like in Capitalism, the 99% worked for the top 100%. In true socialism, wealth is distributed more evenly.

Russia is probably the richest country in the world in regards to resources. Heck if they would have stayed on the gold standard, Russia had some of the largest gold reserves in the world.

They most likely suffered from world war 1 just like most European capitalist countries. Except Russia lost the most men........

Also, capitalist countries have slave colonies to steal from if they need resources.
 

Reformedguy

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You swallowed capitalist propoganda.

The Soviet Union was more closer to state capitalism than socialism. Just like in Capitalism, the 99% worked for the top 100%. In true socialism, wealth is distributed more evenly.

Russia is probably the richest country in the world in regards to resources. Heck if they would have stayed on the gold standard, Russia had some of the largest gold reserves in the world.

They most likely suffered from world war 1 just like most European capitalist countries. Except Russia lost the most men........

Also, capitalist countries have slave colonies to steal from if they need resources.
Irrelevant to the fact that millions of Ukrainians died under one of your socialist utopian governments. Not to mention the millions who died under Mao in China. Another utopian socialist paradise. Or not
 

wiseones2cents

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No crony Socialism is far worse. It's not even close. Under crony Socialism the talentless hack's steal everything and tell the people that the wealth they've stolen for themselves belongs to "The people."
That's a lie spread by capitalists. Thats not how socialism works. That's how the talentless rich steal everything and then say they will sepnd the wealth on the people but pocket most of it and hand out crumbs.

In true socialism, the socialist dont have to steal anything. They have the right to print as much money as they need TAX and DEBT FREE.

The socialists flying in and out of Davos in there Lear Jets are not greedy?

If they are corrupt, they are greedy. But true socialism limits corruption. Therefore less greed.

If government officials are as weak and beggerly as you portray them, and I don't dispute you on that, the idea that you're going to give these people a bunch more power via Socialism is insane. That's like saying I don't think Johny is responsible enough to handle a BB gun, so I'll give them an atomic bomb instead.

Nonsense analogy. Here is a question. Would you rather be ruled by the rich who have no accountability to you, or ruled by a government who is accountable to the people? In capitalism, the government is owned by the rich, or at least that is the case today and has always been.
You can get rid of chronic illness by simply sending everyone with a chronic illness to the gallows, but I think reasonable people would concur that the proposed solution is worse than the illness.

So my idea of getting rid of lobbyists and the federal reserve is not a good start to a solution to end crony capitalism? LOL
I think I have a solution. We need to start with a grassroots movement to expose this scam. Why don't we start by you sending me all your worthless money, and I'll let you know how it goes from there. I just want you to know that I'm down with the struggle brother.
They grass route movements don't stand a chance. US democracies need MONEY to run. The crooked can generate more money than any honest man.
And I'd be happy to take all their worthless money to.

WOW! Right over your head. They used worthless paper money to steal all of America's REAL wealth and your reply? You'd be happy to take my worthless money? Talk about short sighted!
 

wiseones2cents

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Irrelevant to the fact that millions of Ukrainians died under one of your socialist utopian governments. Not to mention the millions who died under Mao in China. Another utopian socialist paradise. Or not
Again. They were not socialist. They were state capitalists disguised as socialist. When 99% of the population work for the 1%, its not socialism. But i'm sure you'll continue to peddle the capitalist lies. The rich have been deceiving from the very beginning....Are you a deceiver or the deceived?

Also you failed to recognize the point I made in regards to the damage done to the Soviet workforce(man power) after world war I
 

Reformedguy

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Again. They were not socialist. They were state capitalists disguised as socialist. When 99% of the population work for the 1%, its not socialism. But i'm sure you'll continue to peddle the capitalist lies. The rich have been deceiving from the very beginning....Are you a deceiver or the deceived?

Also you failed to recognize the point I made in regards to the damage done to the Soviet workforce(man power) after world war I
So the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic was not actually socialist? Did you tell them? In Germany in the 30's were the Nazis nationalist socialists? Asking for a friend? How many people did they slaughter?
 

wiseones2cents

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So the Soviet SOCIALIST Republic was not actually socialist? Did you tell them? In Germany in the 30's were the Nazis nationalist socialists? Asking for a friend? How many people did they slaughter?
No they were not. And they were bankrolled by western banks as were the Nazis. I believe they may have started as socialist movements but then were infiltrated and hijacked by the elites like everything else is.

How many people did they slaughter? The Bolsheviks bankrolled by the west, murdered the last Russian Tsar(.Nicholas II) And they had to make sure they killed off all his supporters so they didnt conspire against them for revenge. So they slaughtered many.

Again. Capitalism played a part. As they have done with every single war, regime change, coup. They are the primary force in installing dictators world wide.
 

Reformedguy

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No they were not. And they were bankrolled by western banks as were the Nazis. I believe they may have started as socialist movements but then were infiltrated and hijacked by the elites like everything else is.

How many people did they slaughter? The Bolsheviks bankrolled by the west, murdered the last Russian Tsar(.Nicholas II) And they had to make sure they killed off all his supporters so they didnt conspire against them for revenge. So they slaughtered many.

Again. Capitalism played a part. As they have done with every single war, regime change, coup. They are the primary force in installing dictators world wide.
Bank rolled by western banks? Evidence?

Capitalism played a part? What part and how with some evidence if you would please.
 

wiseones2cents

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Bank rolled by western banks? Evidence?

Capitalism played a part? What part and how with some evidence if you would please.
Who else would have the kind of money it would take for people to overthrow a Monarchy? Every over throw of an elected government WORLDWIDE has been bankrolled by western elites. That's how they maintain their hegemony.

Everyone knows the main head of the beast of today is the USA, but it has many heads through Europe.

How did Capitalism play a part? It was bankrolled by capitalist countries.

 

Reformedguy

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Who else would have the kind of money it would take for people to overthrow a Monarchy? Every over throw of an elected government WORLDWIDE has been bankrolled by western elites. That's how they maintain their hegemony.

Everyone knows the main head of the beast of today is the USA, but it has many heads through Europe.

How did Capitalism play a part? It was bankrolled by capitalist countries.

So no evidence whatsoever. Figured
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Who else would have the kind of money it would take for people to overthrow a Monarchy? Every over throw of an elected government WORLDWIDE has been bankrolled by western elites. That's how they maintain their hegemony.

Everyone knows the main head of the beast of today is the USA, but it has many heads through Europe.

How did Capitalism play a part? It was bankrolled by capitalist countries.

Because your favorite Communist countries have no money. Korea Norte is a clean example of your anti-capitalism utopia.
 

4givenmuch

New Member
Actually Canada was a better country when it leaned socialist. Its been 5 steps deeper to capitalism, especially thanks to free trade and the result is the cost of living is sky rocketing with no end in sight.

China is a Communist(state capitalism) dictatorship country infused with western capitalist money. Which is heavily subsidized by the Chinese government. Nothing to do with socialism.

China Uighurs are rebels that want to break away, It has nothing to do with socialism and everything to do with territorial disputes.

You know, Just like the USA and Iraq, Iran and every other country it wages war against that don't bell to its imperial will..
Canada was a better country with out the socialist that has been driving it into the ground the last 6 years.
 

Authentic Nouveau

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Canada was a better country with out the socialist that has been driving it into the ground the last 6 years.
Amen. I have a lot of relatives in Canadia. I have a few that also own homes in America. They head south for winter. My cousin married a Canadian, he got brain tumor and they stopped going to canada for the summer.


Some American relatives married Canadians and took social security 2 places.
 

wiseones2cents

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Canada was a better country with out the socialist that has been driving it into the ground the last 6 years.
The only thing driving Canada "into the ground" are crooked capitalist politicians. I remember when most essential services were government run and guess what. They were MUCH MUCH cheaper. Now it seems prices go up every year and still climbing.

Another thing driving Canada into the ground is this NEW kind of borderless free market capitalism(which is actually communism). Creating external unstable market forces.
 
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