Is there a reason I should ignore Psalms 82, or James 2? They are part of the Bible, right?Yes.... The "resolution" is simple. Simply STOP bringing up topics about "Christianity", since they are OFF-TOPIC.
YOU are the one who keeps BRINGING UP "Christian belief".
For instance, every time we try to talk about "only one God" existing, YOU bring up the Trinity.
Jews believe in "only one God". But they don't believe in the Trinity.
Muslims believe in "only one God". But they don't believe in the Trinity.
Oneness Pentecostals believe in "only one God". But they don't believe in the Trinity.
When we bring up Deut. 4:35,39, or Isa. 43-46, you run to Psalm 82.
When we bring up Eph. 2:8-9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:5, 11:5-6, etc., Mormons (not you, but others) run away to James 2.
You don't "address" the passages we bring up, you instead say, "We like these passages better than those".
Agreed. Words do have meaning. Sometimes a word can have more than one meaning. Sometimes words have imply a different concept when acknowledging the context.I expect them to see that when a verse says, "only one god exists", it MEANS "only one god exists", and doesn't mean, "many gods exist".
Words have meaning.
But to your challenge, let's stick strictly to what the Bible says.
Deut. 4:35,39 "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the Lord he is God; there is none else beside him. 39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the Lord he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else."
Isa. 43-46 - Not sure which verse to quote here.
Given in context, these statements were given to Israel. They were not spoken to the world but his covenant people.
Mormons believe "[Jesus] was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New." He is our Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.
Jesus/Jehovah is the God of the Covenant people. To those that are "born again", he can also be considered our Father, since he has spiritually begotten us.
Mosiah 5:7 "And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters."
God the Father is the father of our Spirits. (Hebrews 12:9) He is God to all humanity, regardless of their covenant status. He "maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."
Jesus came to reveal the Father (Matt. 11:27; John 17:25-26), to pay for our sins, and be our advocate with the Father 1 John 2:1). He fulfilled the Old Law, every word of it. Salvation was no longer just to the Jews, but to the whole world. And Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. Which has always been the case (under this paradigm), in the Old Testament and the New.
Jesus Christ submits to the will of the Father (John 6:38), and they are "one" in purpose (John 10:29-30). Thus, we worship God the Father, in the name of the Son. "6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him."
When mormons say they will become "gods" (D&C 132:15-20), that is referring to "gods" in terms of authority received, Being "kings and priests" unto the Most High God - (D&C 76: 52-62) just as Jesus justified calling himself a Son of God (Psalms 82:6).
So, was there One God over Israel - yes. Exactly as the bible says.
Is there One God we worship, in the name of Christ. Yes.
Is that polylatristic - maybe. Is that a violation of the 1st commandment. I don't think so, but I welcome feedback.
Grace vs. Works
Grace/Works - Eph. 2:8-9, Tit. 3:5, Rom. 4:5, 11:5-6, etc., Mormons (not you, but others) run away to James 2.
Thank you for acknowledging that I do not run away from these verses. I guess I don't really need to discuss this.
Now, if you wish to refute my comments, remember, according to your own rules - you can only use the bible as evidence. You can't refer to any belief imposed by any creed, authority, or foundational belief based of a given religion. The term "That's not Christian" is irrelevant, since this is the Mormonism board, and we can't discuss Christianity.
I look forward to your response.