One Spirit

dingoling. said:
Under the OC Jesus said:

Matthew 23:2-3, "“The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat; therefore, do whatever they teach you and follow it; but do not do as they do, for they do not practice what they teach."

The scribes and Pharisees were not the ideal people in authority and yet Jesus still told the disciples to do whatever they teach and follow it.
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Yes and your evil leaders are not under the OC. Nowhere is Jesus saying following their lies, their false teachings, or if they tell them to break the commandments or if they add to scripture, take away from scripture or go beyond scripture. Scripture needs to be read as a whole to get a complete understanding.

Jesus never, never contradicts Himself. He is consistent. The Jewish people knew what He meant but unfortunately RCs do not.
 
balshan said:
Yes and your evil leaders are not under the OC. Nowhere is Jesus saying following their lies, their false teachings, or if they tell them to break the commandments or if they add to scripture, take away from scripture or go beyond scripture. Scripture needs to be read as a whole to get a complete understanding.

Jesus never, never contradicts Himself. He is consistent. The Jewish people knew what He meant but unfortunately RCs do not.
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They are under the NC. So if Jesus told that to his disciples about those who had the authority under the OC, how much more would it be true to those who have the authority under the NC?
 
dingoling. said:
They are under the NC. So if Jesus told that to his disciples about those who had the authority under the OC, how much more would it be true to those who have the authority under the NC?
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Yet again showing you have no understanding of what that verse means at all. Nowhere does Jesus tell us to follow false teachers, ravenous wolves, liars which describes your teachers. They teach things that break the commandments and Jesus would never say follow those things. As I said scripture needs to read as awhole.
 
balshan said:
Yet again showing you have no understanding of what that verse means at all. Nowhere does Jesus tell us to follow false teachers, ravenous wolves, liars which describes your teachers. They teach things that break the commandments and Jesus would never say follow those things. As I said scripture needs to read as awhole.
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But you don't have the authority to say who has the correct understanding of scripture.
 
dingoling. said:
Well there is obviously a division among Christians over this issue
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This has zero to do with the question, about what is imputed to us, according to the Scriptures that Thess posted to you.
dingoling. said:
So from the question from the OP:

So is there any other mechanism that God has given us to discern whose understanding is correct so that we may be united in the same mind and the same purpose with no divisions among us?
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Again, this is nothing more than a diversionary tactic to get out of answering Thess' very simple question about WHAT was imputed, in those Scriptures he posted. What is the "it" that was imputed as righteousness?
 
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dingoling. said:
So obviously there are disagreements among Christians. What we would like to know is the truth.

God desires that we all be one and that there be no divisions among us.
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YOU CALIMED that nothing is imputed: Can you provide any verse that says that?
Can you offer any alternative interpretation to these verses to back up your claim?


scripture says
it was counted
it was accounted
it was imputed

so it appears that something is reckoned/imputed to us.

please justify your claim that nothing is reckoned/imputed to us.

Galatians 3:6
just as Abraham “believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness”?
James 2:23
And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Romans 4:3, Romans 4:5, Romans 4:6
4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from work
 
dingoling. said:
From Scripture:

Ephesians 3:4-6, "there is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all."


From the CCC

II. Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture

105 God is the author of Sacred Scripture. "The divinely revealed realities, which are contained and presented in the text of Sacred Scripture, have been written down under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit."69

"For Holy Mother Church, relying on the faith of the apostolic age, accepts as sacred and canonical the books of the Old and the New Testaments, whole and entire, with all their parts, on the grounds that, written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, they have God as their author, and have been handed on as such to the Church herself."70

106 God inspired the human authors of the sacred books. "To compose the sacred books, God chose certain men who, all the while he employed them in this task, made full use of their own faculties and powers so that, though he acted in them and by them, it was as true authors that they consigned to writing whatever he wanted written, and no more."71

107 The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."72

108 Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book". Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, "not a written and mute word, but incarnate and living".73 If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open (our) minds to understand the Scriptures."74
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Both CC and nCCs believe that scripture is the inspired word of God and that the Holy Spirit guides us into all the truth.

However there are many disagreements among Christians as to our understanding of scripture and we all claim that our particular understanding of scripture is from the Holy Spirit.

Paul says, "Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in agreement and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same purpose."

So is there any other mechanism that God has given us to discern whose understanding is correct so that we may be united in the same mind and the same purpose with no divisions among us?
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Those who are actually led by the Spirit, and not pretending, do not have this problem.

MANY are on the broad road to destruction but FEW on the narrow way to life.
 
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