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Fred

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1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB)
God "alone" fully knows the hearts of all, so God "alone" is the proper recipient of prayer. Mary and any other "saint" is never to be addressed in prayer since they do not fully know the hearts of all.

Since latreuō is due unto God alone (Luke 4:8) and one of the ways Anna rendered latreuō is by her prayers (Luke 2:37) demonstrates that prayer is due unto God alone.
 
pilgrim

pilgrim

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Fred said:
1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB)
God "alone" fully knows the hearts of all, so God "alone" is the proper recipient of prayer. Mary and any other "saint" is never to be addressed in prayer since they do not fully know the hearts of all.

Since latreuō is due unto God alone (Luke 4:8) and one of the ways Anna rendered latreuō is by her prayers (Luke 2:37) demonstrates that prayer is due unto God alone.
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James 5: 16 The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

And

Heb 12: 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel.


So, who are these just/righteous spirits that we now find in our presence who have been made perfect?
 
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4Him

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pilgrim said:
James 5: 16 The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.

And

Heb 12: 22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering, 23 and to the assembly of the first-born who are enrolled in heaven, and to a judge who is God of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, 24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks more graciously than the blood of Abel.


So, who are these just/righteous spirits that we now find in our presence who have been made perfect?
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Not sure where in that verse you see that we are to pray to anyone other than God.
 
pilgrim

pilgrim

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Fred said:
Answer: Old Testament saints. That doesn't mean they are to be prayed unto.

You ignored what 1 Kings 8:38-39 and Luke 2:37 and 4:8 teach. Why?
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Your interpretation. Not the Church's, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
 
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mica

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Fred said:
Answer: Old Testament saints. That doesn't mean they are to be prayed unto.

You ignored what 1 Kings 8:38-39 and Luke 2:37 and 4:8 teach. Why?
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pilgrim said:
Your interpretation.
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it is what scripture says. try reading the whole of kings 8. word by word.

pilgrim said:
Not the Church's,
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no, it isn't what the rcc teaches.... the rcc does not teach the truth of scripture.

you believe and follow a false teacher.

pilgrim said:
the pillar and foundation of the truth.
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that's not the rcc, what is the purpose of the 'the pillar and foundation of the truth'?

whose truth are believers to uphold, man's or God's?
 
pilgrim

pilgrim

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Fred said:
You keep ignoring 1 Kings 8:38-39 because it refutes your heresy.
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You said:

God "alone" fully knows the hearts of all, so God "alone" is the proper recipient of prayer. Mary and any other "saint" is never to be addressed in prayer since they do not fully know the hearts of all.
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which is not what Scripture said. That is your personal interpretation.
 
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Fred

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You just gave me yours.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB)

The word "for" underlined above is why God is able to hear prayer rendered unto Him. It is because He "alone" knows the hearts of all.
 
pilgrim

pilgrim

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Fred said:
You just gave me yours.

1 Kings 8:38-39
whatever prayer...is made...then hear in heaven....for You alone know the hearts of all the sons of men (NASB)

The word "for" underlined above is why God is able to hear prayer rendered unto Him. It is because He "alone" knows the hearts of all.
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So should Christians not pray for other Christians because only God knows the hearts of all?
 
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balshan

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pilgrim said:
So should Christians not pray for other Christians because only God knows the hearts of all?
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Again confusing pray for and to. Boy RCs love to play word games. Look this could be finished if you show which apostle prayed to Mary after she died. If not then you case is not existent.

There are many prayers recorded the apostles pray to God, the Lord. They do not pray to anyone else.

Paul prayed and taught us to pray:

Roms 15:20+

I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in my struggle by praying to God for me. Pray that I may be rescued from the unbelievers in Judea and that my service in Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints there, so that by God’s will I may come to you with joy and together with you be refreshed. The God of peace be with you all. Amen.

Also, our teacher Jesus taught us to pray it started our Father. Not our Father, Sarah, Moses etc. He is clear pray to the Father. Other places when he refers to prayer it is prayers to the Father.

John 17 records a prayer of Jesus:

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. 2 For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. 3 Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. 4 I have brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do. 5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

Matt 6:9

9 “This, then, is how you should pray:

“‘Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
 
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balshan

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pilgrim said:
Your interpretation. Not the Church's, the pillar and foundation of the truth.
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Oh for goodness sake, stop making that false claim. Your institution lies and therefore it does not have anything to do with truth. As you bringing up those verses show. Neither of them say pray to anyone other than God. Praying for and praying to are two different things and you are only trying to confuse the op with that furphy imo.
 
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