Opinions: Split in SBC?

[Janice Bower]

Why the Coming Split in the Southern Baptist Convention Is Inevitable

“Here’s the bottom line that the SBC’s “woke” leaders better wake up to (no pun intended): Most of the 14 million Southern Baptists in the denomination’s churches will not sit and be propagan…

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[Fred]

I think it is beyond fixing.

 

[Janice Bower]

I've never been a Southern Baptist but one of my agnostic siblings brought it up.

 

[kamaeq]

It has been coming, for the last 30 years or so, SBC = Slowly Becoming Catholic and about a decade ago, I saw too many disturbing things.
1. A men's conference where the lead teacher/preacher taught his sermons with dry ice smoke and lights highlighting him in what looked like a mystical manner. No real problem with what he was teaching, but it wasn't on fire either. In a breakout, we were in a younger kids' classroom and along the way there and in the classroom were life size pictures on cardboard of the preacher like he was some kind of saint.
2. The entire coverup and sealing of the records of the GCRTF (think that was it) meetings, including the open ones the public could attend. The big SBC leader types cited privacy concerns in the closed meetings, despite having several legal firms with SBC members offering to pro bono audit to remove private information. The leaders threatened the Convention with never keeping records again if the Convention didn't give them the right to seal their meetings.
3. The official SBC websites publishing positions not agreed upon by the Convention, but in line with their "expert opinions", in defiance of what the messengers agreed was to be the SBC official position.

There are several other earlier incidents that, as I noted above, extended further in the past.

 

[Janice Bower]

It has been coming, for the last 30 years or so, SBC = Slowly Becoming Catholic and about a decade ago, I saw too many disturbing things.
1. A men's conference where the lead teacher/preacher taught his sermons with dry ice smoke and lights highlighting him in what looked like a mystical manner. No real problem with what he was teaching, but it wasn't on fire either. In a breakout, we were in a younger kids' classroom and along the way there and in the classroom were life size pictures on cardboard of the preacher like he was some kind of saint.
2. The entire coverup and sealing of the records of the GCRTF (think that was it) meetings, including the open ones the public could attend. The big SBC leader types cited privacy concerns in the closed meetings, despite having several legal firms with SBC members offering to pro bono audit to remove private information. The leaders threatened the Convention with never keeping records again if the Convention didn't give them the right to seal their meetings.
3. The official SBC websites publishing positions not agreed upon by the Convention, but in line with their "expert opinions", in defiance of what the messengers agreed was to be the SBC official position.

There are several other earlier incidents that, as I noted above, extended further in the past.

Oh, that's devastating! Thank you for informing.

 

[kamaeq]

Oh, that's devastating! Thank you for informing.

Secrecy in the SBC
Redefining Transparency in SBC Part 1
Redefining Part 2

Here is some of the backdrop, the videos appear to be dead, but that may be my adblocker at work.

 

[Janice Bower]

Are there SBC churches as far north as Iowa? I didn't know that. All I can say is that I'm concerned about the direction of most denominations. I hope for the sake of future generations that Jesus returns soon.

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

I think covid has revealed the remnant church. Bible believing, preaching and living born-again Christians are the remnant. The rest have passed to wokeness, seeker friendly, watered down "God accepts everyone" rhetoric. And the persecution of true Christians, uncompromising in following and living the Lord's words, is growing. Consequently we are becoming more and more outliers in all strata of societies, worldwide. We should continue to be armored up in the armor of God as we prepare for His imminent return. Keep your lanterns full brothers and sisters.

What does the Bible mean when it refers to a remnant? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible mean when it refers to a remnant? What are the various meanings of the term 'remnant' in the Bible?

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[Janice Bower]

I don't agree about Covid.

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

I don't agree about Covid.

Meaning?

 

[RiJoRi]

Are there SBC churches as far north as Iowa? I didn't know that.

There is / was one on Long Island, NY! 😲 At least there was 10 or so years ago when DW & I moved to NC.

--Rich

 

[kamaeq]

I think covid has revealed the remnant church. Bible believing, preaching and living born-again Christians are the remnant. The rest have passed to wokeness, seeker friendly, watered down "God accepts everyone" rhetoric. And the persecution of true Christians, uncompromising in following and living the Lord's words, is growing. Consequently we are becoming more and more outliers in all strata of societies, worldwide. We should continue to be armored up in the armor of God as we prepare for His imminent return. Keep your lanterns full brothers and sisters.

What does the Bible mean when it refers to a remnant? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible mean when it refers to a remnant? What are the various meanings of the term 'remnant' in the Bible?

www.gotquestions.org

Depends on the church response to COVID. Yes, it was a real disease, a novel common cold virus that was obviously at least partially weaponized (from long incubation and duration) with a higher level of mortality among the elderly and sickly, but the response was a plandemic one. Actually, the only thing I'm aware of from my research on the topic was for something on the level of a zombie apocalypse.
Which is why the entire idea of a "COVID shot" like the DeathVax is stupid... It is a COMMON COLD virus, all of which mutate so quickly that there is no immunization, no herd immunity, no cure to it other than the usual ones for colds.
The miracle of 2020 was that despite this being a reputed "killer virus", about the same number of people died in 2020 in the US as died in the previous 10 years.
Back on topic, certain common sense measures should reasonably be taken. Not come to church if you are sick (or just feel puny since you may have it and be infectious), more ways to sanitize hands, some degree of social distancing (church is one place where normal US social distancing doesn't apply), no hugging everyone if there was an outbreak in your area, etc. These and similar measures are what was done during the Spanish flu outbreak a century ago from my personal talks with people who lived through it.

 

[Lastdaysbeliever]

Depends on the church response to COVID. Yes, it was a real disease, a novel common cold virus that was obviously at least partially weaponized (from long incubation and duration) with a higher level of mortality among the elderly and sickly, but the response was a plandemic one. Actually, the only thing I'm aware of from my research on the topic was for something on the level of a zombie apocalypse.
Which is why the entire idea of a "COVID shot" like the DeathVax is stupid... It is a COMMON COLD virus, all of which mutate so quickly that there is no immunization, no herd immunity, no cure to it other than the usual ones for colds.
The miracle of 2020 was that despite this being a reputed "killer virus", about the same number of people died in 2020 in the US as died in the previous 10 years.
Back on topic, certain common sense measures should reasonably be taken. Not come to church if you are sick (or just feel puny since you may have it and be infectious), more ways to sanitize hands, some degree of social distancing (church is one place where normal US social distancing doesn't apply), no hugging everyone if there was an outbreak in your area, etc. These and similar measures are what was done during the Spanish flu outbreak a century ago from my personal talks with people who lived through it.

I agree. When I wrote covid I should have clarified how it was weaponized by the left, democrat politicians. From the current elected officials inhabiting the WH, senate and congress to governors, mayors, school board members et al. How better to see how much of society is going to placidly go along with totalitarianism then a "pandemic" used to shut society down. What this accomplished, as far as churches, is many who at one time went to church because it was their tradition or guilt, they have for the most not returned. For those of us who will not give way to the world we have grown in faith and fellowship. The fellowship I attend (Calvary Chapel), our body never stopped meeting. The pastors and elders led the way and were in agreement to continue meeting, openly, irrespective of state and local "mandates". We had been sans masks early on and only those who wished to wear one did, no judgment. In a fellowship of 400+ we have only had one brother die, who contracted covid outside the church and was immune system compromised. We miss him but he is where we all want to be. So are we outliers? Yes. Are we seeing the gathering ofnthe remnant? I believe so. God is separating the wheat from the chaff, sheep from the goats and we pray for His imminent return, soon.

 

[BMS]

Great post #8 Lastdaysbeliver.

The love of God is only unconditional in that whilst we were sinners Christ died for us.

If God so loved the world for what it is He wouldnt have needed to give the Son.
No, just as Moses lifted up the bronze snake, so too did God love the world to provide salvation.
Half the church in the west is oblivious to how oppisite the world is to the Kingdom.

The church should not even refer to worldly concepts that are not in the Bible and contrary to them, like CRT and lgbt.