Paul declares there is only One Gospel !

civic

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There is One God
There is One Lord
There is One Faith
There is One Baptism
There is One Jesus
There is only One way to God
There is One Savior

And there is One Gospel

Galatians 1:6
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

So since there is only One God, One Savior, One way to God through Christ, One faith, One baptism and One Gospel- there is only one way to be saved.

Paul defines that Gospel by which we are saved below:

1 Corinthians 15:1-19
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

Only One way to be saved, by One Person, One Gospel and One Faith. In Him alone. Scripture is really very exclusive here but inclusive to all that come to Him freely!

Revelation 14:6

Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45

Are you teaching others the one true Gospel ?

Ones salvation depends upon the one true gospel !

hope this helps !!!
 
There is One God
There is One Lord
There is One Faith
There is One Baptism
There is One Jesus
There is only One way to God
There is One Savior

And there is One Gospel

Galatians 1:6
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

So since there is only One God, One Savior, One way to God through Christ, One faith, One baptism and One Gospel- there is only one way to be saved.

Paul defines that Gospel by which we are saved below:

1 Corinthians 15:1-19
Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me did not prove vain; but I labored even more than all of them, yet not I, but the grace of God with me. 11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

12 Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

Only One way to be saved, by One Person, One Gospel and One Faith. In Him alone. Scripture is really very exclusive here but inclusive to all that come to Him freely!

Revelation 14:6

Then I saw another angel flying overhead, with the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who dwell on the earth—to every nation and tribe and tongue and people

Acts 4:12
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45

Are you teaching others the one true Gospel ?

Ones salvation depends upon the one true gospel !

hope this helps !!!
There is only one God therefore who would that be? Elohim is a plurality. What does that mean? Is that plurality God's oneness? How does that work? If God is a plurality then it means that all that is in God is complete in God and in a unified relationship with the Father and the Son. Thus, all that is in God is eternal and self-existent because God is eternal and self-existent. If God is complete then all is complete in God in the Now and thus God creating is out of God's completeness and there is nothing new under the Sun. So then what does create mean if all are already complete in God? :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

civic

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There is only one God therefore who would that be? Elohim is a plurality. What does that mean? Is that plurality God's oneness? How does that work? If God is a plurality then it means that all that is in God is complete in God and in a unified relationship with the Father and the Son. Thus, all that is in God is eternal and self-existent because God is eternal and self-existent. If God is complete then all is complete in God in the Now and thus God creating is out of God's completeness and there is nothing new under the Sun. So then what does create mean if all are already complete in God? :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
any comments on the gospel ?
 
any comments on the gospel ?
Perhaps? :)

How do we understand the good news when we do not even understand who God is?

We understand that God sent his Son to delivers us but few know the Son or the Father and do not even understand the atonement but that does not mean that Jesus has not saved us. We do have to understand what all that means? Who is God? Where do we come from and where are we going? The good news is that Jesus that saved us will inspire us with questions and answers. :)

How are your sons doing, Civic?

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

civic

Active member
Perhaps? :)

How do we understand the good news when we do not even understand who God is?

We understand that God sent his Son to delivers us but few know the Son or the Father and do not even understand the atonement but that does not mean that Jesus has not saved us. We do have to understand what all that means? Who is God? Where do we come from and where are we going? The good news is that Jesus that saved us will inspire us with questions and answers. :)

How are your sons doing, Civic?

God bless you,

SeventhDay
The most important question ever asked by Jesus is " who do you say that I Am ? "

Lets see what the Apostles who were inspired by God to record in Scripture

Matthew
Matthew said He was Immanuel, God with us- Matthew 1:23

John
John said the Word was God and the Word became flesh John 1:1,14
John said Jesus is the True God and Eternal Life- 1 John 5:20
John said Jesus is the I AM ( YHWH) the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last- Revelation 22:12-13
John said Jesus is the Lord God Almighty, the Alpha and Omega- Revelation 1:8

Thomas
Thomas said Jesus was His Lord and His God- John 20:28

Peter
Peter said Jesus is our God and Savior- 2 Peter 1:1

James
James said Jesus is the Lord that elders call upon to heal the sick- James 5:14
James said the Prophets spoke in His name YHWH- James 5-10

Jude
Jude said He is YHWH, the Only Sovereign and Lord- Jude 1:4
Jude said Jesus is the Lord( YHWH) who delivered his people out of Egypt- Jude 1:8

Paul
Paul says Jesus is our God and Savior- Titus 2:13
Paul says Jesus is YHWH( Lord)- Romans 10:13 and Joel 2:32

Author of Hebrews
He said Jesus is the Creator who is YHWH that made everything and called Him God- Hebrews 1:8-10

Jesus
Jesus said He is the I Am ( YHWH)- John 8:58
Jesus said he who has seen Me has seen the Father- John 14:9
Jesus said He was EQUAL with the Father- John 5:17-18

So my question is since all these who were inspired to write these TRUTHS down concerning the Person of Christ, why do people not share this with others ?

Why do people in the church not share this with others when they witness ?

Why are people afraid to tell others who the REAL JESUS is ? God Incarnate

No one can say Jesus is LORD (YHWH) except by the Spirit !

hope this helps !!!
 

civic

Active member

Joel 2:32
32
"And it will come about that whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Will be delivered;

For on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
There will be those who escape,
As the Lord has said,
Even among the survivors whom the Lord calls.

Here we see Paul quote this OT passage about YHWH and apply it to Jesus who is the one and only Lord( 1 Corinthians 8:6) according to the N.T. ( Jude 1:4)

Rom 10:9-13
9
that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; 10 for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, "WHOEVER BELIEVES IN HIM WILL NOT BE DISAPPOINTED." 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; 13 for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

So a person must confess Jesus is YHWH(Lord) to be saved. Confess means to agree with so the person confessing Jesus is Lord is in agreement that He is YHWH. Whoever will call upon the name of the Lord ( YHWH) will be saved.

hope this helps !!!
 

civic

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Paul considered everything as lost for the sake of the Gospel.

Philippians 3:3-11
we who serve God by his Spirit, who boast in Christ Jesus, and who put no confidence in the flesh— 4 though I myself have reasons for such confidence.

If someone else thinks they have reasons to put confidence in the flesh, I have more: 5 circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; in regard to the law, a Pharisee; 6 as for zeal, persecuting the church; as for righteousness based on the law, faultless.

7 But whatever were gains to me I now consider loss for the sake of Christ. 8 What is more, I consider everything a loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have lost all things. I consider them garbage, that I may gain Christ 9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith. 10 I want to know Christ—yes, to know the power of his resurrection and participation in his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, 11 and so, somehow, attaining to the resurrection from the dead.


And Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:1-2

Now I make known to you, brethren, the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2 by which also you are saved,

and then he explains is below in verses 3-8

For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brethren at one time, most of whom remain until now, but some have fallen asleep; 7 then He appeared to James, then to all the apostles; 8 and last of all, as to one untimely born, He appeared to me also.

then Paul spends the rest of the chapter on the core/center of the Gospel the Bodily Resurrection of Christ

hope this helps !!!
 
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Sherman

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John said Jesus is the I AM ( YHWH) the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last- Revelation 22:12-13
And another verse that supports this:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. - John 1:1
There is also support for the Trinity - the Word was with God.
 
The most important question ever asked by Jesus is " who do you say that I Am ? "

Lets see what the Apostles who were inspired by God to record in Scripture

Matthew
Matthew said He was Immanuel, God with us- Matthew 1:23

John
John said the Word was God and the Word became flesh John 1:1,14
John said Jesus is the True God and Eternal Life- 1 John 5:20
John said Jesus is the I AM ( YHWH) the Alpha and Omega, The First and the Last- Revelation 22:12-13
John said Jesus is the Lord God Almighty, the Alpha and Omega- Revelation 1:8

Thomas
Thomas said Jesus was His Lord and His God- John 20:28

Peter
Peter said Jesus is our God and Savior- 2 Peter 1:1

James
James said Jesus is the Lord that elders call upon to heal the sick- James 5:14
James said the Prophets spoke in His name YHWH- James 5-10

Jude
Jude said He is YHWH, the Only Sovereign and Lord- Jude 1:4
Jude said Jesus is the Lord( YHWH) who delivered his people out of Egypt- Jude 1:8

Paul
Paul says Jesus is our God and Savior- Titus 2:13
Paul says Jesus is YHWH( Lord)- Romans 10:13 and Joel 2:32

Author of Hebrews
He said Jesus is the Creator who is YHWH that made everything and called Him God- Hebrews 1:8-10

Jesus
Jesus said He is the I Am ( YHWH)- John 8:58
Jesus said he who has seen Me has seen the Father- John 14:9
Jesus said He was EQUAL with the Father- John 5:17-18

So my question is since all these who were inspired to write these TRUTHS down concerning the Person of Christ, why do people not share this with others ?

Why do people in the church not share this with others when they witness ?

Why are people afraid to tell others who the REAL JESUS is ? God Incarnate

No one can say Jesus is LORD (YHWH) except by the Spirit !

hope this helps !!!
It appears that Jesus is the Lord God! There is no other! Right? :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

civic

Active member
It appears that Jesus is the Lord God! There is no other! Right? :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
Scripture declares there is One Father, One Lord, One Sovereign, One Savior, One God, One I Am the the First and the Last yet we know there is more than One Person :)

Now back to our regular scheduled programming- the One Gospel !
 
Scripture declares there is One Father, One Lord, One Sovereign, One Savior, One God, One I Am the the First and the Last yet we know there is more than One Person :)

Now back to our regular scheduled programming- the One Gospel !
Yes or no,Civic! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
 

Anthony

Member
Yes or no,Civic! :)

God bless you,

SeventhDay
There are no Persons in God. Multi-personal God has come through Greco-roman mindset and not through Hebraic roots of scriptures.

The WORD is not another Person beside The Father. The WORD is Personified in Jesus (Yahusha - YHWH our Savior) The Christ.

The gospel is the spiritual Torah Personified in Jesus.

Heb 8-8:10 - Torah written in minds and hearts is Jesus in us the hope of glory. Torah is Personified in Him.

Who is The Father then? The Title Father relates to covenant relationship with His people Israel corporately called The Firstborn Son.

Then Who is The Son of God? The One Who came to Mediate and represent Israel as the firstborn son. This is the correct Theology and Christology - not 2 distinct Persons of God.

The distinction between The Son and The Father is as of a covenanted relationship - between God and His people.

That's the reason in John 17:3, The Son (in standpoint of the Mediator and Representation of Israel) calls The Father as the only true God.

But we do know He is YHWH come in flesh to fulfill promises He made as YHWH (higher dimensional power) through Messenger of YHWH in our dimension of creation.

When John says no one has ever seen God/YHWH at any time, He meant The One in higher dimension Who can't be seen, heard or approached.

He was seen in our lower dimension as His WORD/Messenger (Angel of YHWH).

Many times in OT, YHWH and His Angel are interchanged. The One Who was heard and seen was The Messenger of YHWH - the form of God in Phil 2:6.
The change as shown by Paul in Phil 2:5-8 took place in our lower dimension and not in higher dimension. The distinction is not of Persons but that which has to do with Soteriology.

In Hebraic perspective multi-personal God is from a foreign culture.

The Torah testifies of Christ. Without Christ Torah is just works of self-righteousness.

Paul was mostly addressing Judaizers of his time in his Epistles. He belonged to the same group of carnal Judaizers until He met Jesus Christ - in Whom the whole Torah is Personified. If Torah gives life then it's only through Him:

Deut 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you and your seed,

20 to love יהוה your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to dwell in the land which יהוה swore to your fathers, to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Yaʽaqoḇ, to give them.”

It's life or death - life to those who see YHWH as their life (v20).

The same Torah in two different perspectives - Eternal Life or Sin and Death.

Life to those who see themselves as naked and YHWH as their covering. But death to those trying to keep the Torah without seeing themselves transgressors.

Paul's perspective changed after he met Christ. Now he is pulling Judaizer's collars that without Christ, the goal of Torah they are doomed.

Most of Paul's epistles make no sense and seems to speak in opposition to the Torah where as he is establishing The Torah after Christ and not after how Judaizers of his time believed in.

Rom 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
 

civic

Active member
There are no Persons in God. Multi-personal God has come through Greco-roman mindset and not through Hebraic roots of scriptures.

The WORD is not another Person beside The Father. The WORD is Personified in Jesus (Yahusha - YHWH our Savior) The Christ.

The gospel is the spiritual Torah Personified in Jesus.

Heb 8-8:10 - Torah written in minds and hearts is Jesus in us the hope of glory. Torah is Personified in Him.

Who is The Father then? The Title Father relates to covenant relationship with His people Israel corporately called The Firstborn Son.

Then Who is The Son of God? The One Who came to Mediate and represent Israel as the firstborn son. This is the correct Theology and Christology - not 2 distinct Persons of God.

The distinction between The Son and The Father is as of a covenanted relationship - between God and His people.

That's the reason in John 17:3, The Son (in standpoint of the Mediator and Representation of Israel) calls The Father as the only true God.

But we do know He is YHWH come in flesh to fulfill promises He made as YHWH (higher dimensional power) through Messenger of YHWH in our dimension of creation.

When John says no one has ever seen God/YHWH at any time, He meant The One in higher dimension Who can't be seen, heard or approached.

He was seen in our lower dimension as His WORD/Messenger (Angel of YHWH).

Many times in OT, YHWH and His Angel are interchanged. The One Who was heard and seen was The Messenger of YHWH - the form of God in Phil 2:6.
The change as shown by Paul in Phil 2:5-8 took place in our lower dimension and not in higher dimension. The distinction is not of Persons but that which has to do with Soteriology.

In Hebraic perspective multi-personal God is from a foreign culture.

The Torah testifies of Christ. Without Christ Torah is just works of self-righteousness.

Paul was mostly addressing Judaizers of his time in his Epistles. He belonged to the same group of carnal Judaizers until He met Jesus Christ - in Whom the whole Torah is Personified. If Torah gives life then it's only through Him:

Deut 30:19 “I have called the heavens and the earth as witnesses today against you: I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Therefore you shall choose life, so that you live, both you and your seed,

20 to love יהוה your Elohim, to obey His voice, and to cling to Him – for He is your life and the length of your days – to dwell in the land which יהוה swore to your fathers, to Aḇraham, to Yitsḥaq, and to Yaʽaqoḇ, to give them.”

It's life or death - life to those who see YHWH as their life (v20).

The same Torah in two different perspectives - Eternal Life or Sin and Death.

Life to those who see themselves as naked and YHWH as their covering. But death to those trying to keep the Torah without seeing themselves transgressors.

Paul's perspective changed after he met Christ. Now he is pulling Judaizer's collars that without Christ, the goal of Torah they are doomed.

Most of Paul's epistles make no sense and seems to speak in opposition to the Torah where as he is establishing The Torah after Christ and not after how Judaizers of his time believed in.

Rom 3:31 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.
Anthony is this your first time on CARM ? Were you under another name before ?

If not may I ask which unitarian church you are affiliated with ?

thanks !
 

UncleAbee

Member
Hello Civic. I would like to hear your thoughts on your original post in light of the following three things.

1) Matt 25:31-46 - No mention by Jesus of faith or Jesus as savior or any focus on Jesus. Seems to be a works oriented passage.
2) Romans 2:16 - What does Paul mean by "my gospel" if there is only one gospel. Why wouldn't he say "Jesus' gospel?"
3) Mark 1:14-15 - The gospel message seems to be the "coming kingdom of God" and not Jesus' death and resurrection.

Look forward to hearing your replies.
 

civic

Active member
Hello Civic. I would like to hear your thoughts on your original post in light of the following three things.

1) Matt 25:31-46 - No mention by Jesus of faith or Jesus as savior or any focus on Jesus. Seems to be a works oriented passage.
2) Romans 2:16 - What does Paul mean by "my gospel" if there is only one gospel. Why wouldn't he say "Jesus' gospel?"
3) Mark 1:14-15 - The gospel message seems to be the "coming kingdom of God" and not Jesus' death and resurrection.

Look forward to hearing your replies.
1- the context is the future Judgment when all men will stand before Him
2- Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus see Galatians 2. So His gospel is the same as the gospel of Jesus
3- Jesus proclaimed the gospel of His Kingdom and did teach His death, burial and Resurrection but no one understood it including His disciples until after His Resurrection.

Jesus passed on the gospel to His Disciples. Its the same Gospel but Christ had not suffered, died, risen yet. The disciples didn't understand the Passion until after His Resurrection, they were in denial.

Before His death and Resurrection

Jesus replied, “You do not realize now what I am doing, but later you will understand…. I am telling you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe that I am who I am.” — John 13:7,19

After he was raised from the dead, his disciples recalled what he had said. Then they believed the scripture and the words that Jesus had spoken. John 2:22

From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. — Matthew 16:21

Now Jesus was going up to Jerusalem. On the way, he took the Twelve aside and said to them, “We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be delivered over to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!” — Matthew 20:17-19

After His Death and Resurrection

He said to them, “How foolish you are, and how slow to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Did not the Messiah have to suffer these things and then enter his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. — Luke 24:25-27

He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.Luke 24:44-45
 

UncleAbee

Member
Hello Civic. Thanks for the answers. I quoted them below.

1- the context is the future Judgment when all men will stand before Him - I agree that the context is a future judgment but this judgment seems non based on faith or Jesus' work on the cross. It appears that salvation is purely based on how we treat other humans.
2- Paul received the Gospel directly from Jesus see Galatians 2. So His gospel is the same as the gospel of Jesus - I believe Paul commonly uses the phrase "my gospel" due to the various gospels floating around in his day. There were many who saw Paul as the enemy. It's too bad we don't have their writings. They would be interesting to read. Paul talks about a gospel of Jesus and in Mark ch 1 Jesus seems to discuss a gospel of a coming Kingdom (not about Him). When did the gospel message switch from a coming Kingdom to wholly about Jesus?
3- Jesus proclaimed the gospel of His Kingdom and did teach His death, burial and Resurrection but no one understood it including His disciples until after His Resurrection. - I agree no one understood it. This is a common theme in Mark. Jesus makes no mention of His death and resurrection in Mark 1. He clearly calls the gospel the "gospel of God." He doesn't call it "His" gospel. Their seems to be a switch from the gospel to being about the coming Kingdom of God to wholly about Jesus. Do you agree their is a change at some point? If not, why not? If so, how do we reconcile these different gospels?
 

Anthony

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Anthony is this your first time on CARM ? Were you under another name before ?

If not may I ask which unitarian church you are affiliated with ?

thanks !
I'm not a Unitarian nor Trinitarian nor Oneness Pentecostal.

If you understand scriptures properly to be a Christian is not equivalent to belonging to Christianity which is unscriptural religion.

Most of the Christians I came across follow Christianity rather than following Christ alone.

These 'isms' of Christianity have nothing to do with proper Theology or Christology.

Scriptures never teach multi-personal God. The distinctions between The Father, Son and The Holy Spirit is not personal distinctions but rather God's dealing with His people in soteriology and administration of Assembly/Congregation.

The original Hebraic roots of scriptures are given a Greco-roman (foreign) culture. We may have only Greek autographs of NT scriptures but the roots are Hebraic in heritage.

Christianity in it's Greco-roman culture can't understand the concept of the manifestation of The Son of God in relation to Israel as God's firstborn son in Covenant relationship. They have invented a Second Person of Trinity.

Heb 8:8-10 teaches that in New Covenant believers The Torah/Law is written in minds and hearts - by which we must interpret scriptures in the Spirit of Christ and not in Greco-roman culture that is prevalent in Christianity.

God doesn't work against His own Torah which is Personified in Christ - Who is YHWH manifested in flesh.

YHWH is revealed in OT as dual powers - one concealed by His transcendence self and the other as His Angel/Messenger in visible form from the beginning of creation.

Many times both are interchanged. They are not distinct Persons. One has to get rid of heathen concept of multiple Persons. God doesn't work that way.

The One Who spoke as YHWH as The Father and in subordinate power as His Messenger are one the same. Why? It's because transcendent YHWH has no form, no appearance, no vocality and no approach.

However, the One in Form of YHWH was seen, heard, touched from the beginning.

The One Who took the form of a Servant and likeness of men is YHWH Who was seen, heard, touched in OT. The transcendent YHWH remained as He was.

Now it's The Son Who declared The Father to His people.

1 John 1:1 1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

Phil 2:5
Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

Isral was a Servant of YHWH as well as firstborn son in Covenant relationship with Him as The Father.

Exod 4:22
And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

23 And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me: and if thou refuse to let him go, behold, I will slay thy son, even thy firstborn.

Rom 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
 

Anthony

Member
Hello Civic. I would like to hear your thoughts on your original post in light of the following three things.

1) Matt 25:31-46 - No mention by Jesus of faith or Jesus as savior or any focus on Jesus. Seems to be a works oriented passage.
2) Romans 2:16 - What does Paul mean by "my gospel" if there is only one gospel. Why wouldn't he say "Jesus' gospel?"
3) Mark 1:14-15 - The gospel message seems to be the "coming kingdom of God" and not Jesus' death and resurrection.

Look forward to hearing your replies.
Kingdom of God once was within OT Israel based on conditional covenant under Levetical system of priesthood.

The New Covenant is unconditional one in which the people of the covenant would be made spiritual by The King of Kings - Jesus The Christ (Yahusha HaMashyach). This is the spiritual kingdom of God with Christ sitting on the throne of David (Acts Ch 2).

There can't be a spiritual kingdom without the death and resurrection of Christ.

Without historical Israel, one can't understand the NT.
 
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