Pelosi Banned from Communion… Finally!

DeSanto

Super Member
That's not me, If you want to look at MY twitter account it's linked below.

https://twitter.com/kiwimacahau

You need to ask before assuming.

Going to apologise?
Well, I wouldn’t expect you to admit it… bishop. Everyone knows it’s possible to have multiple Twitter accounts, btw. They call it... Digital camouflage.

Anyway, this was brought to your attention in Oct. 2021 when you were defending assisted suicide:


You neither confirmed or denied it. Instead my post was reported and the Twitter account blocked 🤔

DeSanto said:
Quote box removed.

If it were me, I would have disassociated myself immediately and changed my handle.
 

DeSanto

Super Member
Just trying to understand, are you a "resignationist"?
I really don’t know. I’d prefer not to have a label slapped on me. Right now I’m just holding on to Jesus trying to whether this storm.
Do you believe Ratzinger is still the pope?
Not sure if he is legitimate either.
Do you believe the see is currently vacant?
Most likely
Is Bergoglio an anti-pope?
Most definitely!
I'd like to understand your position a little better.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
 

Mysterium Fidei

Active member
I really don’t know. I’d prefer not to have a label slapped on me. Right now I’m just holding on to Jesus trying to whether this storm.
I understand.
Not sure if he is legitimate either.
I don't believe Ratzinger was a valid pope either.
Most likely
I think that the See definitely is vacant.
Most definitely!
Yes, I agree that Bergoglio is an anti-pope. If Bergoglio is a true pope, then the papacy means nothing. The Catholic Church actually teaches that the Popes are always protected from ever teaching heresy. Popes can be mortal sinners but Popes are protected by the Holy Ghost from ever teaching heresy in their official Magisterium to the entire Church, That is the clear teaching of all the Saints and of Vatican I.

Dogmatic Constitution of Vatican I, Pastor Aeternus; “Indeed, their apostolic teaching was embraced by all the venerable fathers and reverenced and followed by all the holy orthodox doctors, for they knew very well that this see of St. Peter always remains unblemished by any error, in accordance with the divine promise of our Lord and Savior to the prince of his disciples: I have prayed for you that your faith may not fail; and when you have turned again, strengthen your brethren."
Sorry I couldn’t be more help.
That's alright. I appreciate your honest answers, it is a rare commodity on this forum. I know there are still Catholics caught in the Novus Ordo that are truly trying to remain Catholic and practice their Catholic Faith, which has been made nearly impossible to do in the confines of that structure. I know this because I see them come to our chapel and other sedevacantist churches where the Catholic Faith remains practiced as it has always been practiced before the Vatican II revolution.
 

Mysterium Fidei

Active member
Archbishop Wilton Gregory of the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., has come out and basically said that there will be no change in his policy in allowing "Catholic" politicians who blatantly and openly promote the murder of children to receive communion.

In a September 2021 interview with, Gregory said it was not the role of bishops to serve as "police."Actually it is his job of being the "police."

It is scandalous for everyone who is Catholic and to the Faith itself to have these "Catholic" politicians publicly supporting abortion, sodomy, sodomitic "marriages" and every other form of perversion and immorality with impunity and without any consequence whatsoever from their pastors. It projects to the public that these people aren't serious about their faith and the hierarchy aren't serious about it either.

Archbishop Gregory won't support communion ban on Pelosi
 

romishpopishorganist

Well-known member
It's not a matter of winning. We have no concern for winning an argument. We want you to have a close and loving relationship with the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.
And you assume we do not have this relationship. The whole reason I am Catholic is precisely BECASUE of my relationship with the King of Kings and Lord of Lord's. That is what you do not seem to grasp.
 

Mysterium Fidei

Active member
It isn't hyperbole. It is truth. I would rather be atheist than Protestant. If the RCC fell----I wouldn't join a Protestant sect, I would likely be atheist--or maybe Jewish. Certainly not Protestant.
How you reconcile what you say above....with this
To the extent that they teach the Catholic Truth, yes. Protestant sects do teach the basic tenants of the creed. Those tenants are essential and at least they believe those.
And this....
Yes I do. I just happen to believe that the "Body of Christ" is broader than the visible boundaries of the Roman Catholic Communion.
And this...?
Correct; nor do they have the perfection of Faith, nor do they have ALL the graces of salvation God wants us to have. But the Eucharist is a pretty big one. For me, the Eucharist is the only reason TO be Catholic in the first place--all things being equal. You take the Eucharist away, what are we? Nothing but another Christian sect.
So you say Protestants adhere to the basic tenants of the creed that are essential. You believe in the new ecclesiology of this broad "Church of Christ" which includes all kinds of contradicting sects, that are in different degrees of "communion" with the Catholic Church, but they don't have ALL the graces that God WANTS us to have.

And this is the teaching of your Novus Ordo sect regarding non-Catholic "churches and communities."

"The separated churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from the defects already mentioned, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fulness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church." - Vatican II Decree on Oecumenism Unitatis Redintegratio, paragraph 3)

You participate in communicatio in sacris,actively participating in their worship by playing the organ in their worship services.

But you would be an Atheist rather than join what you have already joined?

Honestly guy, do you just make this stuff up as you go along? I'm sure your "pope" wouldn't care if you converted to Lutheranism.
 

romishpopishorganist

Well-known member
How you reconcile what you say above....with this

And this....

And this...?

So you say Protestants adhere to the basic tenants of the creed that are essential. You believe in the new ecclesiology of this broad "Church of Christ" which includes all kinds of contradicting sects, that are in different degrees of "communion" with the Catholic Church, but they don't have ALL the graces that God WANTS us to have.

And this is the teaching of your Novus Ordo sect regarding non-Catholic "churches and communities."

"The separated churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from the defects already mentioned, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fulness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church." - Vatican II Decree on Oecumenism Unitatis Redintegratio, paragraph 3)

You participate in communicatio in sacris,actively participating in their worship by playing the organ in their worship services.

But you would be an Atheist rather than join what you have already joined?

Honestly guy, do you just make this stuff up as you go along? I'm sure your "pope" wouldn't care if you converted to Lutheranism.
Have you ever heard of something called the Blessed Sacrament?

Can you get THAT in a Protestant Church? NO.

Why, then, would I or anyone else want to be Protestant---even IF----one could be saved? The Blessed Sacrament: I need no other argument; I need no other plea. It is enough that I can receive the Blessed Sacrament. THAT is why I am Catholic. If anyone said to me "Why be Catholic as opposed to Protestant," I would say "The Blessed Sacrament." You take away the Blessed Sacrament, what are we? Just another Christian sect among thousands of Christian sects--doing our own thing. You take away the Blessed Sacrament, what reason could you possibly give me to be Catholic? Pope Francis's stance on climate change?

See--you---seem to be making the same mistake fundamentalists make--in that--you seem to think religion is just a matter of having your afterlife insurance policy paid up. Religion isn't just about staying out of Hell. It IS about that---but I would suggest that someone who is merely interested in staying out of Hell--is the spiritual equivalent of a 5 year old. A five year old does what his parents say because he does not want to get punished. Hopefully by the time the person is 40 they honor and respect their parents because they love their parents and willingly submit to them out of love. I see our relationship to God in an analogous sense. I do not try to do what is right, and live a life pleasing to God because I do not want to go to Hell, I try to do what is right and live a life pleasing to God because God is worthy of that and God is worthy of love. God is worthy of honor. God is worthy of worship. It isn't about rewards vs. punishments for me, but a matter of who God is. Knowing who God is, how could I possibly want anything else? See---Hell simply isn't an issue for me. It is about loving God. Not that I deny Hell, or the possibility that I could go there. It is simply that--it isn't my motivation for being Catholic or Christian. TRUTH is my motivation as well as recognizing the greatness of God.

Do you really think life in the Spirit is just about not going to Hell?

I do not subscribe to B.F Skinner spirituality sir, and never have.
 
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SPOKENWORD

Well-known member
Have you ever heard of something called the Blessed Sacrament?

Can you get THAT in a Protestant Church? NO.
We get better than that. Why would I want to look where Jesus is not. We as Christians know that we are the Temples of the living God. Jesus lives in every born again believer. His blood is in our vains.. His Temple is not made with human hands. The RCC has hoodwinked you into believing that Jesus lives and dwells in the blessed sacrament. You are under a religious spirit and being held in bondage. Only Jesus can set you free if you truly want to be set free.
 

pilgrim

Well-known member
We get better than that. Why would I want to look where Jesus is not. We as Christians know that we are the Temples of the living God. Jesus lives in every born again believer. His blood is in our vains.. His Temple is not made with human hands. The RCC has hoodwinked you into believing that Jesus lives and dwells in the blessed sacrament. You are under a religious spirit and being held in bondage. Only Jesus can set you free if you truly want to be set free.
No you don't at all. You are spiritually starving and don't know it.
 

Southsider071

Well-known member
Archbishop Wilton Gregory of the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., has come out and basically said that there will be no change in his policy in allowing "Catholic" politicians who blatantly and openly promote the murder of children to receive communion.

In a September 2021 interview with, Gregory said it was not the role of bishops to serve as "police."Actually it is his job of being the "police."

It is scandalous for everyone who is Catholic and to the Faith itself to have these "Catholic" politicians publicly supporting abortion, sodomy, sodomitic "marriages" and every other form of perversion and immorality with impunity and without any consequence whatsoever from their pastors. It projects to the public that these people aren't serious about their faith and the hierarchy aren't serious about it either.

Archbishop Gregory won't support communion ban on Pelosi


If there is a dispute between 2 arches, does the Pope have the authority to judge which one is right? If so, when will Frank speak out on the abortion issue and other issues in an infallible manor.
 

mica

Well-known member
SPOKENWORD said:
We get better than that. Why would I want to look where Jesus is not. We as Christians know that we are the Temples of the living God. Jesus lives in every born again believer. His blood is in our vains.. His Temple is not made with human hands. The RCC has hoodwinked you into believing that Jesus lives and dwells in the blessed sacrament. You are under a religious spirit and being held in bondage. Only Jesus can set you free if you truly want to be set free.

No you don't at all.
yes, as Christians we have Christ, the Holy Spirit in our lives and the truth of His word.

catholics don't have Christ within them, no guidance of the Holy Spirit and no knowledge or understanding of His word.

You are spiritually starving and don't know it.
no, we aren't the ones doing that - we have Him and we feed on His word.

catholics are not spiritually nourished by His word.

Matt 4.4 - But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matt 4.1-4 -
1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.

3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
 

Mysterium Fidei

Active member
If there is a dispute between 2 arches, does the Pope have the authority to judge which one is right? If so, when will Frank speak out on the abortion issue and other issues in an infallible manor.
Archbishop Gregory has jurisdiction over the Archdiocese of Washington, D.C., which is where Pelosi lives while in Congress. Archbishop Cordileone has jurisdiction over San Francisco where Pelosi lives and where her district is.

Bergoglio absolutely has the authority to solve this as every other "pope" has had since the Roe v. Wade decision in 1973.
 

kiwimacnz

Active member
Well, I wouldn’t expect you to admit it… bishop. Everyone knows it’s possible to have multiple Twitter accounts, btw. They call it... Digital camouflage.

Anyway, this was brought to your attention in Oct. 2021 when you were defending assisted suicide:


You neither confirmed or denied it. Instead my post was reported and the Twitter account blocked 🤔

DeSanto said:
Quote box removed.

If it were me, I would have disassociated myself immediately and changed my handle.
So I should change a name by which I have been known online for over 30 years because a porn site has a similar one? Not happening. If you're insinuating that I run the other site, I suggest you either prove it or withdraw the accusation, I must perforce mention that this accusation is actionable under NZ law.
 

DeSanto

Super Member
So I should change a name by which I have been known online for over 30 years because a porn site has a similar one? Not happening.
It’s not similar, it’s exact. And if were me, I would. You obviously didn’t mind to change your handle… for twitters sake.
If you're insinuating that I run the other site, I suggest you either prove it or withdraw the accusation, I must perforce mention that this accusation is actionable under NZ law.
You have the exact same handle… it’s not a stretch to draw that conclusion. Why would you even be surprised by it? Everyone knows the internet is crawling with creeps. We must take every precaution.

Twitter surely doesn’t.
 

SPOKENWORD

Well-known member
No you don't at all. You are spiritually starving and don't know it.
When you are truly born again you will understand this scripture.

2 Corinthians 13:5
5 Examine yourselves to see whether you are in the faith; test yourselves. Do you not realize that Christ Jesus is in you—unless, of course, you fail the test?

Now if Christ is in me why would I want look for the blessed sacrament? Once again you have been hoodwinked to believe the lies of the RCC.
 

romishpopishorganist

Well-known member
We get better than that.
You can't get better than that. It is impossible to get better than that.
Why would I want to look where Jesus is not.
I do not look to where Jesus is not--which is why I do not receive or look to Protestant Communion. Why would I want bread and wine when I can have the Body and Blood of Christ?
We as Christians know that we are the Temples of the living God.
Sure we are. That is why I say there are elements or graces of salvation in Protestantism. You do have some elements of the Truth. What do lack among others, is the Blessed Sacrament.
Jesus lives in every born again believer.
Yes, Jesus DWELLS in every believer. The key word there is "DWELLS." Jesus and the believer are distinct. The believer is not Jesus. Jesus "DWELLS" in them. Jesus does not merely "dwell" in the Blessed Sacrament.
His Temple is not made with human hands. The RCC has hoodwinked you into believing that Jesus lives and dwells in the blessed sacrament.
Excuse me? Catholics do not believe that Jesus "dwells" in the Blessed Sacrament. We aren't Lutherans. We believe that the Blessed Sacrament IS Jesus.
 

pilgrim

Well-known member
“Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’(blessed sacrament) or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him. (Matt. 24;23) So much for your blessed sacrament. When you are truly born again your mind will be renewed and you will understand the Scriptures.
John 6:55 For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him.
 
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