Frankly, I don't believe that you are this obtuse, so presumably you are being deliberately odurate. If I was pro abortion, I would indeed be advising women to have abortions. If I was anti-abortion, I would be advising women not to have abortions. As it is I am pro-choice. I am telling women that I will support them whether they choose to have an abortion or not. An also I will do my damnedest to ensure that they have a choice.Well, of course I agree with this! I never claimed that being pro-choice means allowing people to "choose" to commit crimes!
And by the way----using a gun for self defense is not violence. Violence involves attacking another person and attempting to seriously hurt them or kill them for whatever reason. If a gun or other weapon is used in an attack, then it would be an act of violence. But the use of a gun or other weapon to repel an attack is not violence. That is legitimate self-defense.
Self defense involves the use of force, even deadly force to repel or stop the attack. The reason I feel the need to point this out is becasue the left doesn't seem to grasp the distinction between self-defense and violence. Some of the most radical left do not even believe we have the right to defend ourselves if we are attacked! The lawyer prosecuting Kyle Rittenhouse actually argued with a straight face "Sometimes we have a duty to just take the beating." Yeah---no. Whatever you believe about Rittenhouse--assuming you know what I am referring to---we do not have a duty to take a beating.
The point is----self defense with a weapon like a gun is not violence. Defense is not violence.
This much is true. I never said pro-choicers want to deny people these rights.
Then why can't you say what you are really about? THAT is my point! Why speak in euphemisms? Why not say "Yes, I am pro-abortion, and proudly so! I would tell a woman to have an abortion at any time, for any reason, and I would do it twice on Sunday!"
The fact that abortion supporters have to speak in euphemisms says something. They are dishonest.
And yes, I agree that pro-lifers are really about abortion too. I can't stand it when people start talking about a "Consistent Life Ethic" becasue that is a Red Herring. It allows abortion supporters to change the subject so they don't have to talk about abortion.
Then stop with the euphemisms! Just say "I am pro-abortion, and twice on Sunday!" At least then--you will be honest.
No it isn't. I never claimed that being pro-choice means supporting the right to choose to commit crimes. You say the examples I have. None of those examples involve committing crimes.
Correct! Suppose I support the use of the death penalty--and--suppose---I grant that this makes me a hypocrite. So what? It has nothing to do with abortion. It would not follow abortion is justifiable becasue I support the death penalty. It would just make me a hypocrite.
The reason pro-lifers coined the term "pro-life" was becasue abortion supporters insist on speaking in euphemisms like "choice" as if choice was the issue. If abortion supporters would just be honest and say "Yes, I am pro-abortion, and twice on Sunday" then pro-lifers could rightly say they are "anti-abortion."
I do not at all grant that this is the case. You are comparing apples and oranges for starters. This, not to mention that no one who supports second amendment rights supports the right to use a gun for the purposes of violence or to break the law. But even if I grant your argument, that does not prove that pro-lifers are wrong about abortion, sir. Abortion is the issue here.
There are some posters here too thick to understand the difference between being in favour of abortion and being in favour of the ability to choose abortion. I don't think that you are one of them. I think that abortion is a necessary evil in society, the least worst option. I am not in favour of it any more than I am in favour of amputation or nuclear weapons. I am in favour of women having the ability to choose abortion, should they feel it is the best option for them, since I can never be in a position to make that decision myself, I should not be trying to take it away from them.