Pick your favorite argument for Christianity and let's discuss.

bigthinker

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none of those arguments are valid. the whole concept of proving He exists to an atheist is bizarre...plus the entire method is greek, as are the type of questions.

A bit like proving whales exist to an ant.
The ant can't experience the whale, and if they did, would they understand the context anyway?
Not only are they not valid, they aren't really arguments. A believer posted the link to me as if thinking it was meaningful. The point is that existence isn't based on arguments, it is based on evidence. One doesn't need 20 arguments to convince someone that water boils at 212F, one only needs to test it.
But in this case humans are not like ants; we can distinguish between existence and non-existence; full understanding of the thing isn't a prerequisite. Understanding of the thing is a result of study and of course being able to study a thing is fully dependent upon its existence.
 

bigthinker

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the point is to meet Him and understand what He wants directly.

Scripture was altered over centuries to prevent that.

each soul must be his own translator without experts in between
Quite right. Each believer has their own god, made in their own idealized image. Often there is some degree of similarity between individuals but each creates their own without experts in between their beliefs and their created gods.
 

Gary Mac

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Quite right. Each believer has their own god, made in their own idealized image. Often there is some degree of similarity between individuals but each creates their own without experts in between their beliefs and their created gods.
Yes and the laws you have created for God are no different from any denomination who do the same, just different laws to govern God.
 

bigthinker

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no. i didn’t say that.

i said a soul can experience God, without experts filtering that and judging it.

I didn’t give the plato version you gave of each having an idol.
I didn't say anything about idols; I said that each believer creates their own God. Although it is entirely possible for a believer to create both their God AND an idol.
 

bigthinker

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worse, many believe there could be other realities, planets, universes, but expect those would have the same mindset, be the same as their acorn.

some physicists call that a form of monotheism... the standard model or unified theory.

it makes sense that satan realm promulgates its religious monotheism here on its prison planet.
I suppose it makes sense that some human beings imagine that Satan is real.
 

bigthinker

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Ah, I wondered what you were going on about. Sorry I missed that.
Okay, so what do you believe and why do you believe it?
 

Gary Mac

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I have not.
Gods exist in the imaginations of believers.
Only your belief by the law you have established as in imaginations of believers is your own law, spawned from ignorance to know the truth so you make up excuses to rule your beliefs. .

You comment about a subject you know nothing of. And if you did believe there is no God then why do you come here trying to convence people there is no God. If there is no God then why come here at all and waste your time? . Truth is you believe there is God or you wouldnt be trying so hard to belittle Him Who is Love.
 

bigthinker

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Only your belief by the law you have established as in imaginations of believers is your own law, spawned from ignorance to know the truth so you make up excuses to rule your beliefs.
You're making an excuse for not supporting your belief. C'mon, is it really that difficult? If it is, you should ask yourself why is it so difficult to share what you "know" with others who don't know. If you asked me (for example) about boiling water, it would be a very simple response. I would likely make a claim and you could test/verify for yourself. I would be sharing actual knowledge (as opposed to belief) and I wouldn't obfuscate, avoid answering or try to deflect. You could test for yourself without any limiting special conditions
You comment about a subject you know nothing of. And if you did believe there is no God then why do you come here trying to convence people there is no God. If there is no God then why come here at all and waste your time? . Truth is you believe there is God or you wouldnt be trying so hard to belittle Him Who is Love.
What is it that I don't know about?
I do not believe there is no God -clearly you struggle with this concept. Its like having a million dollars. I do not have a million dollars -I do not believe that I do not have a million dollars. The difference shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
My position -based on the nature of God, is that Gods exist in the minds of those who believe in them.
If I am wrong, don't make any excuses, don't whine, don't make any special conditions that must be met in order for your "truth" to be known.
Have a little intellectual integrity and make your case.
If you can't, that's fine -I don't expect you to but will be pleasantly surprised and am more than willing to change my position.
 
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