Biden has more than catholicism in common with the pope!is there any expectation from you that the Pope will clarify what he meant?
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VATICAN CITY, October 24, 2020 (LifeSiteNews) ― Just a few hours ago, a group of young Catholics gathered in St. Peter’s Square in Rome, asking Pope Francis “for clarity on same-sex unions.” In a documentary released earlier this week, the Holy Father had expressed his support for homosexual civil unions.
Led by Alexander Tschugguel, known as the Pachamama dunker, the young people of Austria’s St. Boniface Institute gathered in St. Peter’s Square today with a banner reading, “Holy Father, we ask for clarity on same-sex unions.”
They were joined by a number of Catholics from other countries who knelt in the piazza, silently praying the rosary together.
""We want to believe that the Holy Father sees everything in the light of the teaching of the Church, but it gets harder for us every day. And we as faithful Catholics don't want to talk behind his back.""
-Alexander Tschugguel
And how is the request for clarity dealt with?
VATICAN CITY (ChurchMilitant.com) - The Vatican has imposed a media blackout after fresh revelations that the pope's approval of gay civil unions in a 2019 interview was censored, only to re-emerge unauthorized in the new Francesco film
Pope backs civil unions
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Biden has more than catholicism in common with the pope!
those are their personal opinions, too. what matter is the teaching of the church that homosexuality itself is not a sin, it is the homosexual act that is a sin. i do not think pope francis made alterations to the church teaching, he was only misunderstood.There are many Cardinals who do not agree with your "personal interpretation" of what the Pope meant:
are they in error?
Here is a letter penned by Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke
Telling you that your Pope gave approval for homosexual unions in direct contradiction to Scripture and Tradition
Library : Statement on the Declarations of Pope Francis Regarding Civil Unions
Statement on the Declarations of Pope Francis Regarding Civil Unions Pope Francis’ support for civil-union legislation is “devoid of any magisterial weight,” but are “simply private opinions,” Cardinal Raymond Burke has written on his personal web site on October 22, 2020. After carefully...
www.catholicculture.org
Cardinals Vigano and Muller has issued similar statements
Ave Maria! MISQUOTED, MISUNDERSTOOD & MISTRANSLATED | The Pope's statement was exaggerated by mainstream media agencies. Here's a detailed explainer from Catholics at Work
Pope Francis has spoken before to encourage parents and relatives not to ostracize or shun children identified as LGBT. This seems to be the sense in which the pope spoke about people's right to be a part of the family.
Pope Francis says NOTHING about same-sex marriage in the documentary entitled "Francesco."
He never promotes civil union, but he talks about the state to make a law in protecting homosexual people in their civil life from social rejection.
This is what Pope Francis said:
"Homosexual people have the right to be in the family. They are children of God. They have the right to a family. No one can be thrown out of the family or make life impossible for that."
"What we have to do is a civil coexistence law. They have the right to be covered legally. I defended that", he added.
As you can see, where does Pope Francis say that he supports civil unions or a civil marriage?
The Holy Father used the term "Covivencia Civil" or Civil Co-existence and not Civil Same-Sex Unions. In the documentary, he speaks in Spanish and mistakenly translated in the provided English subtitles.
Civil coexistence law that the Pope refers to is to protect homosexual people from mistreatment and social rejection in their own family circles.
Pope Francis is defending what the Church has always defended, the dignity of the people. He proposes civil laws to protect homosexuals from abuse in their own family environments, who are often rejected by their own parents, siblings, and relatives.
Brethren, do not let yourself be FOOLED or manipulated by anyone. Pope Francis is not encouraging homosexual unions. His words are taken out of context.
Headlines from mainstream media is a MISUNDERSTOOD, MISQUOTED, and MISINTERPRETED statement of the Pope.
NOT CONVINCED? I humbly advise you to watch that documentary. Read and study the teachings of the Catholic Church. And never put your Catholic faith based on what you hear and read on social media.
organgrinder
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Right. we always get the same story. The pope is misunderstood, yada yada yada. Google dictionary says co-existence is the "state or fact of living at the same time or in the same place. This is a civil same-sex union. He and you can dance around it all you want. We understand what he is heading towards and what he supports. And you have Catholic bishops who understand the same thing. Take the blinders off ramcam2.
I do not think it will go,there. Let us wait and see. Only God can read what is in the hearts of men.
organgrinder
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That is true what you posted about the hearts of men and we will see.
peace be with you.
organgrinder
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Et cum Spiritu tuo.
a ghost from the past!
organgrinder
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Yes. Nice play on words!
leonard03782
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In the US, most if not all states have this little thing called "common law marriage" whereby two individuals are considered married if they live together for a designated period of time.
leonard03782
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and this statement is how rc's get around obviously erroneous teaching by claiming that their fearless leader was not speaking ex-cathedra but was just stating his personal opinion on a matter.
there are conditions to be met when speaking ex-cathedra.
nan
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Which are ...
Nondenom40
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Does God hand him a checklist to mark off before his 'gift of infallibility' kicks in? In the n.t. the gifts of the Holy Spirit (infallibility isn't a gift) are to be used as often as possible. Its why they were given. The gifts of the Holy Spirit are ours to be used. We don't own them, and they are temporary. They are an investment. While we are here we can use them as much or little as we want, thats up to the believer. But this impacts our reward. Your alleged 'gift of infallibility' is a sham and a fraud. How many times in the history of your church has it been supposedly used? Two? These guys are real proud of their gift huh?
Is this why RCs cannot give us definitive list of infallible rulings?
yes, if he can't keep it straight and say what he means and means what he says, then he has no business being claimed to be the 'leader' of catholics. (he isn't leader of Christians anyway).
it's just too bad for catholics that what he says has to be explained by others (reworded to be what he should have said instead of what he did say).
We all know that ex cathedra teaching excuse. Either he is guided by the Holy Spirit or he is not.
Matt 10:19-20
But when they hand you over, do not worry about how or what you are to say; for it will be given you in that hour what you are to say. For it is not you who speak, but it is the Spirit of your Father who speaks in you.
Maybe he should only speak on religious matters in that hour, otherwise keep his mouth shut. If he did so then there would be no confusion and RCs could clearly list the infallible teachings.