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Jesus isn't an angel. That's your problem, along with Jesus also teaching that people go to hell. And your abhorrent bible translation, which teaches the Logos was "a god."
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In the Greek lexicons= which is trinity translating. At John 1:1-The Greek word for-God- ends in a v--The Logos was called the Greek word god ending in a g=god--The only other occurrence is 2 Cor 4:4--satans Greek word for god ends in g-while the true Gods word ends in v=God--translating works the same at both spots. So either satan is God or the word is a god--a god is correct.
In 1822 a Greek scholar( Abner Kneeland) compared Greek to English in his NT translation to prove to the world a god is correct. 19 other translations had a god, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike--All rejected by trinity religions because that single error proves 100% they are false religion misleading all into not entering Gods kingdom.
 
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keiw said:
In the Greek lexicons= which is trinity translating. At John 1:1-The Greek word for-God- ends in a v--The Logos was called the Greek word god ending in a g=god--The only other occurrence is 2 Cor 4:4--satans Greek word for god ends in g-while the true Gods word ends in v=God--translating works the same at both spots. So either satan is God or the word is a god--a god is correct.
In 1822 a Greek scholar( Abner Kneeland) compared Greek to English in his NT translation to prove to the world a god is correct. 19 other translations had a god, 3 had was divine, 1 had was godlike--All rejected by trinity religions because that single error proves 100% they are false religion misleading all into not entering Gods kingdom.
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In 2 Cor 4:4 Satan is called "the god of this age" which is clearly not God. It has nothing to do with Jn 1:1c.

The Logos cannot be a "a god" because the OT only knows of pagans gods, and anyway "theos" in Jn 1:1c must relate back to the "o theos" of Jn 1:1b. So it says that the Logos had the properties and form of the Father, which Christ said had been returned to him on his ascension: Jhn 16:15 etc,
 
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cjab said:
In 2 Cor 4:4 Satan is called "the god of this age" which is clearly not God. It has nothing to do with Jn 1:1c.

The Logos cannot be a "a god" because the OT only knows of pagans gods, and anyway "theos" in Jn 1:1c must relate back to the "o theos" of Jn 1:1b. So it says that the Logos had the properties and form of the Father, which Christ said had been returned to him on his ascension: Jhn 16:15 etc,
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Then why does both words for the word and satan end in g=god and the word for the true God end in v=God--What is your explanation of the difference.
 
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keiw said:
Then why does both words for the word and satan end in g=god and the word for the true God end in v=God--What is your explanation of the difference.
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I've got no idea what you're talking about. Greek nouns including theos = god decline, according to the grammatical case. nominative, vocative, accusative, dative or genetive. The end-letter of any noun is irrelevant: it only denotes the grammatical case.
 
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cjab said:
I've got no idea what you're talking about. Greek nouns including theos = god decline, according to the grammatical case. nominative, vocative, accusative, dative or genetive. The end-letter of any noun is irrelevant: it only denotes the grammatical case.
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It shows 100% of a difference of what one is being called.
 
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cjab said:
It's just gratuitous nonsense. If this is where your doctrine comes from, then you belong to a cult.
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When this comes true-They will have to know-i am YHWH(Jehovah) quote from Ezekial for back then and the end of the last days about 20 spots. the whole world will know we are correct. But thats the end.
 
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Then come out of the dark.
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If you knew what Jesus teaches you would be a JW. Because in every translation on earth his teachings back the JW teachers, as does true God worship history=undeniable fact.
 
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keiw said:
If you knew what Jesus teaches you would be a JW. Because in every translation on earth his teachings back the JW teachers, as does true God worship history=undeniable fact.
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I would be excommunicated for apostasy for rejecting the doctrines of the Governing Body, specifically for rejecting Jesus as the Archangel Michael, amongst a host of other doctrines.
 
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cjab said:
I would be excommunicated for apostasy for rejecting the doctrines of the Governing Body, specifically for rejecting Jesus as the Archangel Michael, amongst a host of other doctrines.
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Thats because you were taught by religions of darkness who never had Jesus. There is much evidence Michael is Jesus. You refuse to believe it because a man with a white collar who teaches dogma over truth has you mislead. Those religions teach little of what Jesus actually taught. I attended different ones in my days. I did not find Jesus.
 
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keiw said:
Thats because you were taught by religions of darkness who never had Jesus. There is much evidence Michael is Jesus. You refuse to believe it because a man with a white collar who teaches dogma over truth has you mislead. Those religions teach little of what Jesus actually taught. I attended different ones in my days. I did not find Jesus.
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Unfortunately there is nothing in the bible to relates Jesus to an angel, but plenty that discounts it. Also the whole of the early church knew of no such doctrine, and no one outside of the JWs ever heard of such a doctrine.
 
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cjab said:
Unfortunately there is nothing in the bible to relates Jesus to an angel, but plenty that discounts it. Also the whole of the early church knew of no such doctrine, and no one outside of the JWs ever heard of such a doctrine.
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Thats because only the JW leaders are these-Matt 24:45--only they have Jesus and the holy spirit guiding them. The rest have turned into a mass of confusion, and are a house divided they will not stand, because they do not have Jesus or the holy spirit. They have the schools of mens dogmas.
 
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keiw said:
Thats because only the JW leaders are these-Matt 24:45--only they have Jesus and the holy spirit guiding them. The rest have turned into a mass of confusion, and are a house divided they will not stand, because they do not have Jesus or the holy spirit. They have the schools of mens dogmas.
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Prove that "the rest don't have Jesus." The concept that only one's own church is saved, to the exclusion of all others, is obviously untrue because it would infer that prior to one's own church existing, no one else was saved, including the apostles.

The idea that one's own church to the exclusion of all others is the only source of salvation is a cultic as you can get. Of itself it would appear to be something of a "man of sin" (2 Thess 2:4) contention, because it entails elevating one's church's spiritual credentials above those of everyone else, so as to appear as if some kind of god on earth (just like Roman Catholicism).

So I would ask you to reflect that you idolization of JWs is of itself not a very Christian activity, and I would say that about anyone who idolizes their church for improper reasons. And you are going to have to come up with many reasons to justify your position, which you aren't able to do, because you don't even know what other churches exist in the world! There are thousands, if not millions.
 
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cjab said:
Prove that "the rest don't have Jesus." The concept that only one's own church is saved, to the exclusion of all others, is obviously untrue because it would infer that prior to one's own church existing, no one else was saved, including the apostles.

The idea that one's own church to the exclusion of all others is the only source of salvation is a cultic as you can get. Of itself it would appear to be something of a "man of sin" (2 Thess 2:4) contention, because it entails elevating one's church's spiritual credentials above those of everyone else, so as to appear as if some kind of god on earth (just like Roman Catholicism).

So I would ask you to reflect that you idolization of JWs is of itself not a very Christian activity, and I would say that about anyone who idolizes their church for improper reasons. And you are going to have to come up with many reasons to justify your position, which you aren't able to do, because you don't even know what other churches exist in the world! There are thousands, if not millions.
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The teachings of Jesus prove it in every translation on earth. Few know what he actually teaches.
 
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cjab said:
So you admit your church is into gnosticism. i.e. secret knowledge? It's the sign of a cult.
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Not secret knowledge-Truth revealed through them via holy spirit--See Daniel 12:4 God hid some truths until these last days, and at the proper time those truths get revealed through these-Matt 24:45. So no need to twist what is true.
 
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keiw said:
Not secret knowledge-Truth revealed through them via holy spirit--See Daniel 12:4 God hid some truths until these last days, and at the proper time those truths get revealed through these-Matt 24:45. So no need to twist what is true.
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How convenient that your church discovered them! However, I can't see that Jesus being an angel named Michael was the kind of "secret" that God would have kept hidden.
 
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