Prayer for the lost
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Theophilus
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None at all
preacher4truth
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True Christians love their enslavement to Christ, but you're a Gnostic.
You're clueless.
Because you hate the truth.
Lovely twist on Scripture. Only a carnal mind would come up with that. Being a bondslave to Christ is freedom, John 8:31-38. In many places throughout the NT being a bondslave to Christ is gloried in.
That's actually a slur on the name Jesus.
"May the Lord grant mercy to the household of Onesiphorus, for he often refreshed me and was not ashamed of my chains," 2 Timothy 1:6.
Many other passages Paul refers to himself as a bondslave to Christ. You show that you believe freedom is your self-will.
Romans 6 is for believers who have become bondslaves of righteousness, and bondslaves to Christ. "Chains."
I say this for the believers sake on this site.
squirrelyguy
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Nobody disagrees with the slave/master characterization. I just think that the significance you attach to that metaphor is biblically suspect. Romans 6:16-18 actually says that we determine for ourselves whether we are slaves of sin or slaves of obedience leading to righteousness.
"Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness." (NKJV)
So if we take Paul's words at face value, we self-determine who we are slaves to; not only that, but we can choose to be slaves of another without asking our current master's permission. It may not be true in the natural sense, but it's true in the spiritual sense. That's the limitation of the metaphor, and all metaphors have limitations. For that matter, even in the natural a slave can rebel and run away from his/her master, never to return.
eternomade
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I think this is why Jonah had beef going to Nineveh. He knew God would save them.
eternomade
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But if Jesus paid their sin debt to the Father when He was in the Holiest of Holies, how do they end up in hell?
preacher4truth
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Not so, you do yourself.
Unsubstantiated.
Sigh...it says nothing of the sort, you're not understanding the Biblical language due to being hoodwinked by free will humanism.
Never mind then, take care...
eternomade
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I am come into my garden, my sister, my spouse: I have gathered my myrrh with my spice; I have eaten my honeycomb with my honey; I have drunk my wine with my milk: eat, O friends; drink, yea, drink abundantly, O beloved.
Song of Solomon 5:1 KJV
And?
eternomade
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What do you believe the Good news is?
Theophilus
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Great response
christ_undivided
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That is why I have a hard time have a conversation with you Tom. I mention Eph 2:12 and you ignore what it says and throw out a "look at that rabbit" response. Do you mind recognizing the obvious and dealing with it.....
Eph 2:12 is a reference to a time when there was a WALL between Gentiles and Jews. Gentiles were not the heirs of promise. Countless Gentiles died without one thought of knowing the Gospel. You know they did. You may scoff at predestination, but you can't ignore the fact that these people had no hope..... ZERO hope.
You either deal with it or you don't. Doesn't matter. Till you do, I'll just leave you alone.
christ_undivided
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They have ALL gone out of the way and become unprofitable. There is NONE righteous. No not one.
We are the descendents of countless rebels that hated and denied God over and over again. Except God had left a remnant, we would have been like Sodom and Gomorrah.
What is the remnant Tom? Why the remnant?
a portion which will be saved by grace
Romans 9:27–32 (KJV 1900) — 27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. 29 And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha. 30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. .........................
Romans 11:5–10 (KJV 1900) — 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. 7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Maybe you have a hard time following a conversation
I had stated
you noted
I produced evidence which supported what I claimed above
quoting
Isn't it
Acts 28:27 (KJV 1900) — 27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
you replied with an unrelated passage
I noted that reference concerned gentiles who actually wound up saved
so what were you not able to follow?
He did not as they did not believe
sin is remitted upon faith in Christ
Romans 3:22–26 (KJV 1900) — 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Reformedguy
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Amen. My prayer is part of the narritive
Reformedguy
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Obligation rather than desire? Are you judging my motives?
My prayers are part of the narrative. Part of the plan.
Can your prayers change Gods foreknowledge?
II. Although God knows whatsoever may or can come to pass upon all supposed conditions; yet hath he not decreed any thing because he foresaw it as future, or as that which would come to pass upon such conditions.
Westminster Assembly, The Westminster Confession of Faith: Edinburgh Edition (Philadelphia: William S. Young, 1851), 26–27.
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