Preach the Gospel to Babies. Children, & to the Mentally Challenged

Gary Mac

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We agree to disagree. I can only ask you to go before that throne of grace & ask Jesus Christ if there is anything you are off on or wrong about.
I did and this is what he said. In that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for myself and He will give it me. I did exactly as he said.

In that day? What day? The day I came face to face with God just as he did. How do you suppose Jesus got his information where all of Gods heaven was opend to him? Was it not by him coming face to face with God for he couldnt have gotten his information from any other source. And we are no different from the same.

It doesnt matter how much I believe about God or Jesus. What really matters is how much I know God personally and not just about Him. And cobviously most only know what they have read or what someone preached about Him.

"The two most important days in your life is when you were born and the day you find out why."
Mark Twain
 

Hark

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I did and this is what he said. In that day ye shall ask me nothing but go to the Father for myself and He will give it me. I did exactly as he said.

In that day? What day? The day I came face to face with God just as he did. How do you suppose Jesus got his information where all of Gods heaven was opend to him? Was it not by him coming face to face with God for he couldnt have gotten his information from any other source. And we are no different from the same.

It doesnt matter how much I believe about God or Jesus. What really matters is how much I know God personally and not just about Him. And cobviously most only know what they have read or what someone preached about Him.

"The two most important days in your life is when you were born and the day you find out why."
Mark Twain
You do know that you are to test the spirits, right? If any spirit tells you what is contrary to the scripture, then that is not God speaking to you.
 

civic

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You do know that you are to test the spirits, right? If any spirit tells you what is contrary to the scripture, then that is not God speaking to you.
good luck with him as he thinks he is Jesus equal on this earth.
 
I was referring to not knowing if he had ever repented for supporting that execution of that heretic. No one can know that but God.
God should have worried about that when his son promised fiery fates for all those who rejected him. Calvin obviously was inspired by that nonsense to call for the execution of heretics.
And yet the point of having saved us was to reconcile us back to God.
From what I've read about God in the Bible, I don't know why anybody would want to be reconciled to him. God needs to learn that if he doesn't want people to reject him, then he needs to treat people well. He should win love by being lovable rather than angrily demanding that we love him.

So is that kind of God what turns you on to Christianity? Do you like the idea of God burning people in fire?
BTW Sin separates us from God. The way Adam & Eve hid themselves from God because they were "naked" was the result of sin opening their eyes and cause them to flee from God because He is holy. So if sinners do not take the way out or the antidote so to speak, the end result of sin is driving them to hell and the lake of fire in reaching its full flower in separating sinners from God and all that is good.
Again, if God wants good relations with people, then he needs to be kind to them. Tossing people into a lake of fire won't win him many friends except perhaps for sadists who like the idea of burning sinners. He also needs to learn that people eating fruit is not a crime worth condemning all of us to hell for.
Personally, CDC should have had quarantined those infected to protect the LGBTQ & the drug addicts but no.
I'm in favor of making sure that homosexuals and those addicted to drugs be protected from all diseases and receive proper medical treatment.
But Jesus is still Lord even when the New World Order with their mark of the beast system comes after the rapture event while they kill Christians everywhere.
There will never be a "beast" nor any rapture. All that is mythology made up by Christians. It was all predicted to happen in the first century but turned out to be false prophecy.
Because sin has a way of dominating sinners' lives in leading them to self destruction. Alcoholism and drug addictions to name a few. Sin addiction of all forms can destroy a person lives and those around them. Not to mention the forces of darkness that exists to aid them along. Nobody that loves sinning wants to hear it or acknowledge it in their lives, but that is what Jesus Christ came to do; not only to deliver us from our bondage to sin and to death, but to give us eternal life and even to enjoy the abundant life now by living that reconciled relationship with God the Father through Jesus Christ, God Our Savior & Good Shepherd.
You Christians really seem to hate people dehumanizing them as sinners worthy of hellfire. Contrary to what you say, many people do acknowledge that they have drug and alcohol problems and work hard to overcome those diseases. All your promises of help from Jesus are false and empty promises that can't help people but only disappoint them.
Because just as false prophets can come into Christianity to mislead many astray, so can a false science can come in and mislead many astray.
I'm afraid you're not qualified to judge science's integrity. See below.
Have you ever asked the accusers of believers being homophobic if they are parthenophobic which is the fear of virgins or young girls or boys?
No, but that is a very strange question. Why would I ask them if they're afraid of virgins or kids?
Not all Christians believe the way they should; 1 Corinthians 1:9-10
Yes, and it's always the other Christians who get it wrong, now isn't it? Anybody can claim to be a "true" Christian, but if they do so, then they'll need to contend with all those opposing Christians who make the same claim.
Do you give permission for your parents to be parents? How about when it comes to saving your life from a snake bite? Do you give your permission to your doctor to apply the antidote? And yet you can refrain from them as easily as you can refrain from God, but it doesn't stop the consequence of sin which is pushing you away from all that is good & God.
I've found that a lot of sin is actually harmless. Porn, for example, never did me any harm!
But no one can observe it to know it happens. It is always assumed and never proven.
A lot of phenomena cannot be observed directly, but scientists can often infer its existence. The Oort Comet Cloud is but one example. You've just demonstrated that you have a very limited understanding of science.
Well, you already know you are not seeing macroevolution in the real or natural world to observe that phenomenon and so that is why you should give it pause and apply the same level of negative skepticism that you seem to apply towards Christianity, if not more so because there is no discipline in that false science. They can prove something false and yet science can continue to refer to it as if it had not been proven false like that half bird/half dinosaur fossil they had found just as an example.
The reason I don't believe Christian claims is because I know that those claims are bogus. Never have I had scientists give me a line of baloney claiming that they can heal me if I send them money, but Christians have done that to me. If you lie to people scamming them out of money, then you should not be surprised when they no longer believe what you say.
 

Gary Mac

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good luck with him as he thinks he is Jesus equal on this earth.
All are who has the same from the Father Jesus had from Him. He in me and I in Him are one just as He was in Jesus and Jesus was in Him as one. Read Jesus prayer to our God for you to be as well in John 17. But then you would have to follow Jesus in His way to the Father in which obviously isnt possible for your religious beliefs contray to Him.

Same mind, same spirit is su[pposed tpo be in you who was in Christ as well but in your antichrist spieir where you cant be reveals your truths.

The truth is You are supposed to have the same Spirit be in you who was in Christ Jesus. But as you say there is no way you can be perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as He commands of you rejecting the very thing Jesus came to show you the way.

Thank God I do have the same Spirit in me from God Jesus had from God. In that makes me Gods son, someting you should at least consider from Jesus in yourself to be. But then ypou know ans I know and God knows you atre not going to follow Jesus way to Him. Thast is very obvious ibn your rejection of Him to be as He is yourself as He commnads of you to be in His same image.

Jesus had it right in his way to the Father , you have it wrong in your way without the Father. .
 

Gary Mac

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God should have worried about that when his son promised fiery fates for all those who rejected him. Calvin obviously was inspired by that nonsense to call for the execution of heretics.

From what I've read about God in the Bible, I don't know why anybody would want to be reconciled to him. God needs to learn that if he doesn't want people to reject him, then he needs to treat people well. He should win love by being lovable rather than angrily demanding that we love him.

So is that kind of God what turns you on to Christianity? Do you like the idea of God burning people in fire?

Again, if God wants good relations with people, then he needs to be kind to them. Tossing people into a lake of fire won't win him many friends except perhaps for sadists who like the idea of burning sinners. He also needs to learn that people eating fruit is not a crime worth condemning all of us to hell for.

I'm in favor of making sure that homosexuals and those addicted to drugs be protected from all diseases and receive proper medical treatment.

There will never be a "beast" nor any rapture. All that is mythology made up by Christians. It was all predicted to happen in the first century but turned out to be false prophecy.

You Christians really seem to hate people dehumanizing them as sinners worthy of hellfire. Contrary to what you say, many people do acknowledge that they have drug and alcohol problems and work hard to overcome those diseases. All your promises of help from Jesus are false and empty promises that can't help people but only disappoint them.

I'm afraid you're not qualified to judge science's integrity. See below.

No, but that is a very strange question. Why would I ask them if they're afraid of virgins or kids?

Yes, and it's always the other Christians who get it wrong, now isn't it? Anybody can claim to be a "true" Christian, but if they do so, then they'll need to contend with all those opposing Christians who make the same claim.

I've found that a lot of sin is actually harmless. Porn, for example, never did me any harm!

A lot of phenomena cannot be observed directly, but scientists can often infer its existence. The Oort Comet Cloud is but one example. You've just demonstrated that you have a very limited understanding of science.

The reason I don't believe Christian claims is because I know that those claims are bogus. Never have I had scientists give me a line of baloney claiming that they can heal me if I send them money, but Christians have done that to me. If you lie to people scamming them out of money, then you should not be surprised when they no longer believe what you say.
You are confusing what a Christian is from what these religious sects claim.

A Christian is as Jesus was anointed of God. These you speak of are not christian but only use the name for enterprise, scamming the gullible who seek the sensational instead of having from God His same anpointing as Jesus had from Him. Christ is Gods anointed and either one is Gods anointed, Christ in you, or one is not. BTW which simply is Love and the mind of.
 

Hark

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God should have worried about that when his son promised fiery fates for all those who rejected him. Calvin obviously was inspired by that nonsense to call for the execution of heretics.
Actually, even former believers are still saved, but are at risk as well as carnal believers in not departing from iniquity to be left behind to face the fiery calamity on the third of the earth which will set the stage for the coming New World Order & the mark of the beast system to be the only means to buy & sell to survive during the coming prophesied great tribulation. Those left behind & new believers after the rapture will be resurrected after the great tribulation.

So you cannot connect Calvin's error with anything Jesus had said when He had preached against killing anyone in doing God service per John 16:1-3
From what I've read about God in the Bible, I don't know why anybody would want to be reconciled to him. God needs to learn that if he doesn't want people to reject him, then he needs to treat people well. He should win love by being lovable rather than angrily demanding that we love him.
Do you apply that to not punishing criminals & inviting hardened criminals into your home to live with you & your loving & doting family? If you agree that society should have laws against evil & to punish evil to protect family & neighbors in society, then why judge God?
So is that kind of God what turns you on to Christianity? Do you like the idea of God burning people in fire?
In regards to criminals, some love to do evil because they can. Since He is bringing us back to Himself & Heaven and all that is good, then He will make sure sin will never separate us from Him ever again and that includes sinners who prefer their sins than to live with all that is good & God. Remember the devil? Satan and his legion are going into the lake of fire.

God spoke and life comes into existence. So how can a soul cease to exist? For saints to believe God keeping His words that evil will be done with for His promises of eternal life and all that is good to be forever, then His judgments has to be forever too.
Again, if God wants good relations with people, then he needs to be kind to them. Tossing people into a lake of fire won't win him many friends except perhaps for sadists who like the idea of burning sinners. He also needs to learn that people eating fruit is not a crime worth condemning all of us to hell for.
Sin will reach its consequence after death for why after death, comes judgment for the sinner. Sin separates us from God; Sin drives the sinner away from His holiness. That is why it is written that those who do not believe were condemned already for when not believing the name of the Son of God in John 3:18 and explained why because they prefer evil than to be or to do good John 3:19-21. So sin drives them to hell.
I'm in favor of making sure that homosexuals and those addicted to drugs be protected from all diseases and receive proper medical treatment.
I agree that is loving they neighbor as thyself, but let's face it. Drug addicts and some homosexuals will defy such help. We cannot help them all.
There will never be a "beast" nor any rapture. All that is mythology made up by Christians. It was all predicted to happen in the first century but turned out to be false prophecy.
Jesus will appear as the Bridegroom when God judges His House first and then the fiery calamity will come on the third of the earth. When He appears, may He remind you to call on Him to be saved so your spirit will be with Him in Heaven to await your resurrection after the great tribulation.
You Christians really seem to hate people dehumanizing them as sinners worthy of hellfire. Contrary to what you say, many people do acknowledge that they have drug and alcohol problems and work hard to overcome those diseases. All your promises of help from Jesus are false and empty promises that can't help people but only disappoint them.
Your opinion.
I'm afraid you're not qualified to judge science's integrity. See below.
Always changing the facts, peddling back, and still not really denouncing that which was disproven by science, is like you finding no fault in Christians & churches. As you would judge the churches for not disciplining & excommunicating saved believers for not abiding in Him & His words, you are not judging science for not disciplining & denouncing teachers still spreading false science.
No, but that is a very strange question. Why would I ask them if they're afraid of virgins or kids?
Because homophobic is just an unjustified club to beat others for not bowing to their ideology.
Yes, and it's always the other Christians who get it wrong, now isn't it? Anybody can claim to be a "true" Christian, but if they do so, then they'll need to contend with all those opposing Christians who make the same claim.
As secular people and sinners alike as they all are not speaking the same thing nor agree with everybody as to what is good and what is evil.
I've found that a lot of sin is actually harmless. Porn, for example, never did me any harm!
I am sure alcoholics and drug addicts feel the same way. You would call that living in denial.
A lot of phenomena cannot be observed directly, but scientists can often infer its existence. The Oort Comet Cloud is but one example. You've just demonstrated that you have a very limited understanding of science.
I know what is real science which can be observed & proven whereas false science is what the core of evolution theory is about for not being able to observe the phenomenon of macroevolution in the natural world. All "evidence" is assumed for macroevolution and the lack of transitional fossils in the fossil records is why those assumptions are to be declared as false.
The reason I don't believe Christian claims is because I know that those claims are bogus. Never have I had scientists give me a line of baloney claiming that they can heal me if I send them money, but Christians have done that to me. If you lie to people scamming them out of money, then you should not be surprised when they no longer believe what you say.
I believe otherwise. And scripture warned us about false teachers who make merchandise of believers for profit. We see non-Christians everyday inners do it in business and by crimes, so does that make your faith in humanity and in yourself as bogus also?

2 Peter 2:1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you:.....

1 Thessalonians 4:6 That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified.

Rules in society teaches people what the law is and the punishment for breaking those laws, and yet we have criminals still. So ignoring the problem of the fallen state of man as sinners and blaming it on Christianity is hardly winning your argument for disregarding the Good News.
 
Actually, even former believers are still saved, but are at risk as well as carnal believers in not departing from iniquity to be left behind to face the fiery calamity on the third of the earth which will set the stage for the coming New World Order & the mark of the beast system to be the only means to buy & sell to survive during the coming prophesied great tribulation. Those left behind & new believers after the rapture will be resurrected after the great tribulation.
I see no relationship between this post and my pointing out that Calvin called for executions of heretics based on what he read in the Bible.
So you cannot connect Calvin's error with anything Jesus had said when He had preached against killing anyone in doing God service per John 16:1-3
John 16:1-3 is irrelevant to people being inspired by the Gospel to engage in violence. I'm sure Calvin read John 16:1-3. It didn't stop him from calling for violence against heretics. You are making a very common logical error that apologists make when defending the Bible from charges of it inciting violence: You assume that if the Bible does not explicitly call for a particular kind of violence, then it is freed from blame for any violence committed by Christians. The fact is that the Bible and in particular the Gospel denigrates people and glorifies God harming them. That kind of rhetoric is bound to lead to hatred for people and violence against them.
Do you apply that to not punishing criminals & inviting hardened criminals into your home to live with you & your loving & doting family? If you agree that society should have laws against evil & to punish evil to protect family & neighbors in society, then why judge God?
Again, you respond to my posts with a lot of rambling and irrelevant comments. I pointed out that the God of the Bible is an unlovable character. What do your comments here have to do with that fact? Society is not like your God which is very fortunate!
In regards to criminals, some love to do evil because they can. Since He is bringing us back to Himself & Heaven and all that is good, then He will make sure sin will never separate us from Him ever again and that includes sinners who prefer their sins than to live with all that is good & God. Remember the devil? Satan and his legion are going into the lake of fire.
Again, all of this is irrelevant to what I asked: Do you like the idea of God burning people in fire? Yes or no? Why or why not?
I agree that is loving they neighbor as thyself, but let's face it. Drug addicts and some homosexuals will defy such help. We cannot help them all.
Let's try to help them to see if you're right.
Jesus will appear as the Bridegroom when God judges His House first and then the fiery calamity will come on the third of the earth. When He appears, may He remind you to call on Him to be saved so your spirit will be with Him in Heaven to await your resurrection after the great tribulation.
No. Sorry. None of these horrific nightmare scenarios will ever happen. I know that you look forward to them, but it's all a lot of baloney.
Your opinion.
I've tried Jesus. He didn't help me one bit but made my life worse. That's a fact and not just my opinion.
I am sure alcoholics and drug addicts feel the same way. You would call that living in denial.
What harm do you think porn does? I'm sure you've made good use of it. What harm did it do to you?
I know what is real science which can be observed & proven whereas false science is what the core of evolution theory is about for not being able to observe the phenomenon of macroevolution in the natural world. All "evidence" is assumed for macroevolution and the lack of transitional fossils in the fossil records is why those assumptions are to be declared as false.
I corrected you on this point already. Why do you hate science so much? Does it scare you?
We see non-Christians everyday inners do it in business and by crimes, so does that make your faith in humanity and in yourself as bogus also?
If I can make sense of this question, you're asking if the crimes some people commit make my faith in people misplaced. If some individuals lie to me or scam me, then yes, I will no longer trust those individuals. Christians are by no means the only people who have scammed me. However, I cannot say that all people are bad and that goes for Christians. If you would like to denounce those Christian dogmas that have made deceiving people easy, then I have no quarrel with you.

And I don't need the Bible to realize that a person is lying unless, of course, the liars in question are the men who wrote the Bible. We need the Bible to see if they are lying!
Rules in society teaches people what the law is and the punishment for breaking those laws, and yet we have criminals still. So ignoring the problem of the fallen state of man as sinners and blaming it on Christianity is hardly winning your argument for disregarding the Good News.
As one very wise man has said, with or without religion we will have good people and bad people. However, to make good people bad people, that requires religion!
 

Slyzr

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As one very wise man has said, with or without religion we will have good people and bad people. However, to make good people bad people, that requires religion!

not an expert by any stretch.

However, it seems, they want to make their lambs into lions.

And the Lions that are not them into lambs.
 
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