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I will leave the 2 loves birds (twins) to their own threads. Opting out of this one its useless.
Preaching the Gospel !
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brightfame52
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Well do it when you find time, I took time to post the thread and the many points I made !
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I define the gospel as Paul taught in 1 Corinthians 15 :3-18. See this thread below as the Resurrection is the central part of the gospel. Pleas ask me any questions you want about any details of the gospel and I will answer them for you. I know them off the top of my head as I study the gospel every day for the past 40 years and have most of the passages memorized. I'm sure many good hearted Arminians and Calvinists will do the same.
The Bodily Resurrection & Ascension of Jesus
Without the bodily resurrection which was permanent one has no Savior and you are still dead in your sins according to the Apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15:17 Many deny Jesus was Resurrected and Ascended into heaven bodily( a human body with real flesh and bones) and are still dead in their sins...
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brightfame52
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Im sorry you dont read the thread points I have already put hard work into.
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Also see this thread my OP explains the gospel. There is only One gospel and BF doesn't know what that gospel is as he has a false gospel. He adds to the gospel and takes away from the gospel.
Paul declares there is only One Gospel !
There is One God There is One Lord There is One Faith There is One Baptism There is One Jesus There is only One way to God There is One Savior And there is One Gospel Galatians 1:6 6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7...
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SovereignGrace
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Twins ? Nah !
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Read through the first page where the gospel is addressed in many aspects. Its not only the good news about His work it also includes His Person as eternalmode pointed out earlier to you. Its the Person and Work of Christ that is the gospel and Paul outlines that in many places in the N.T. as you will read from that first page in the thread.
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SovereignGrace
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Mew !
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you stumped him
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Well I hate to say I told you so but I warned you he avoids answering direct questions. They always stump him.
Theo1689
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In the time it took you to (unhelpfully) tell him, "read the thread", four or five times, you could have instead used that same time to:
1) simply answer his question; or
2) link to one of your posts which you think best answers the question.
But I guess you don't want to be helpful.
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I can just imagine this guy in real life....
He gets into a discussion with a stranger, the strangers find out that he's a Christian, so the stranger asks him what the gospel is.
"I've already explained to someone once what the gospel is. Go figure it out for yourself!!!!"
Theo1689
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And here we go, playing the entitled victim....
"I've already shared the gospel before, and so if you don't know what the gospel is, then that's your problem, because I'm not going to tell you."
And I'm guessing he thinks that's going to receive a response by Jesus, "Well done, thou good and faithful servant, for refusing to share the gospel".
Theo1689
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Chimera.
preacher4truth
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It is cultish behavior...
preacher4truth
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Stop being so callow and answer the question.
brightfame52
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The Primary and Initial Rule of the Gospel as it pertains to Salvation, is that its sent by God as a testimony from Him of ones Justification and Righteousness in Christ their Surety before Faith makes it known to their consciousness Heb 9:14
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
For the Testimony is Rom 5:6
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. He died for our Sins 1 Cor 15:3
And by that death, all for whom Christ died, they were Justified before God by His Blood Rom 5:9 and Reconciled to God while enemies Rom 5:10, which simply means before Faith or believing.
You see before Faith and even before we had a being literally in this life physically, Christ hath already before God's Law and Justice Col 2:14-15
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
This was solely accomplished by His Cross, and this is Justification by His Blood or because of His Blood and Reconciliation by His Death, before we are given both being and faith. The blessing of what Christ did for me in Col 2:14 is not contingent upon my faith, for I had no being at all when He did that for me or any other elect person He died for and satisfied God's Law and Justice for !296
To deny this is to deny the Gospel. This His death, as in He died for us Rom 5:6-8, it put away our sin and condemnation which was written against us Col 2:14, for it was imputed to Christ, and He by His death perfected us forever Heb 10:14, and giving us also a irreversible Eternal Redemption and Justification Heb 9:12
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal Redemption / Justification for us.
This is God's Testimony in the Gospel for all for whom Christ died !
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
For the Testimony is Rom 5:6
6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. He died for our Sins 1 Cor 15:3
And by that death, all for whom Christ died, they were Justified before God by His Blood Rom 5:9 and Reconciled to God while enemies Rom 5:10, which simply means before Faith or believing.
You see before Faith and even before we had a being literally in this life physically, Christ hath already before God's Law and Justice Col 2:14-15
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
This was solely accomplished by His Cross, and this is Justification by His Blood or because of His Blood and Reconciliation by His Death, before we are given both being and faith. The blessing of what Christ did for me in Col 2:14 is not contingent upon my faith, for I had no being at all when He did that for me or any other elect person He died for and satisfied God's Law and Justice for !296
To deny this is to deny the Gospel. This His death, as in He died for us Rom 5:6-8, it put away our sin and condemnation which was written against us Col 2:14, for it was imputed to Christ, and He by His death perfected us forever Heb 10:14, and giving us also a irreversible Eternal Redemption and Justification Heb 9:12
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal Redemption / Justification for us.
This is God's Testimony in the Gospel for all for whom Christ died !
brightfame52
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Must first have the Spirit of God !
New birth before Faith or believing on Christ or The Gospel because of Salvation is taught in many places in the scripture !
One of the places is here 1 Cor 2:11-14
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.297
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
A Person must first receive the Spirit of God in New Birth, before we are spiritually capacitated to KNOW the things freely given to us of God, which things are made known in the Gospel !
The word know in Vs 12 is the greek word eido which means to know by perception.
To perceive the Things freely given us. The words freely given is the greek charizomai which means:
to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify
a) to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent
b) to grant forgiveness, to pardon
c) to give graciously, give freely, bestow
1) to forgive
2) graciously to restore one to another
3) to preserve for one a person in peril
These are things of Justification, forgiveness of sins ,preservation from wrath
Now to know these things savingly and experimentally through the Gospel, we must first have had received the Spirit of God or these Gospel Truths cannot be received by the Natural Man as stated in Vs 14 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The things of the Spirit of God is first and foremost the Gospel, the Cross of Christ, these Truths surrounding it are foolishness to the Natural man, which simply is any man not born again of the Spirit. The greek word for foolishness is mōria, close to our English word moron which means:
a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
The Gospel Truths to the natural man sounds foolish to him, or sounds like folly or they are nonsense to him, neither can he know or understand them.
Now according to Paul, the Preaching of the Cross, the Gospel is to some foolishness 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
The Truths of the Cross are the same as those things of the Spirit of God in 1 Cor 2:12-14
So the natural man and the man that is perishing in their sins, cannot know and embrace and receive into their understanding the Truths of the Gospel.
Jesus said once before which confirms this Truth Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
People who say that the Gospel is so simple that a baby can understand it, they are foolish and ignorant to the Truth. The Natural man cannot understand the Gospel, let alone a natural child.
However, if God has capacitated by New Birth either a man or child to receive the Gospel, to them it will be a message of simplicity as Paul tells these same Corinthians later 2 Cor 11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
But remember, its simplicity unto them because of what Paul stated earlier 1 Cor 2:12-13
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
He spake that concerning only those he had good reason to believe they had been given the Spirit of God, so Yes, to them, the Gospel is a message of simplicity, but not to the Natural man !
New birth before Faith or believing on Christ or The Gospel because of Salvation is taught in many places in the scripture !
One of the places is here 1 Cor 2:11-14
11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.297
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
A Person must first receive the Spirit of God in New Birth, before we are spiritually capacitated to KNOW the things freely given to us of God, which things are made known in the Gospel !
The word know in Vs 12 is the greek word eido which means to know by perception.
To perceive the Things freely given us. The words freely given is the greek charizomai which means:
to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify
a) to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent
b) to grant forgiveness, to pardon
c) to give graciously, give freely, bestow
1) to forgive
2) graciously to restore one to another
3) to preserve for one a person in peril
These are things of Justification, forgiveness of sins ,preservation from wrath
Now to know these things savingly and experimentally through the Gospel, we must first have had received the Spirit of God or these Gospel Truths cannot be received by the Natural Man as stated in Vs 14 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The things of the Spirit of God is first and foremost the Gospel, the Cross of Christ, these Truths surrounding it are foolishness to the Natural man, which simply is any man not born again of the Spirit. The greek word for foolishness is mōria, close to our English word moron which means:
a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.
The Gospel Truths to the natural man sounds foolish to him, or sounds like folly or they are nonsense to him, neither can he know or understand them.
Now according to Paul, the Preaching of the Cross, the Gospel is to some foolishness 1 Cor 1:18
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
The Truths of the Cross are the same as those things of the Spirit of God in 1 Cor 2:12-14
So the natural man and the man that is perishing in their sins, cannot know and embrace and receive into their understanding the Truths of the Gospel.
Jesus said once before which confirms this Truth Jn 8:47
47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
People who say that the Gospel is so simple that a baby can understand it, they are foolish and ignorant to the Truth. The Natural man cannot understand the Gospel, let alone a natural child.
However, if God has capacitated by New Birth either a man or child to receive the Gospel, to them it will be a message of simplicity as Paul tells these same Corinthians later 2 Cor 11:
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
But remember, its simplicity unto them because of what Paul stated earlier 1 Cor 2:12-13
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
He spake that concerning only those he had good reason to believe they had been given the Spirit of God, so Yes, to them, the Gospel is a message of simplicity, but not to the Natural man !
brightfame52
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Must first have the Spirit of God ! cont
One of the reasons why a man must have the Spirit of God already before he can believe the Gospel Message of the Cross, its because without it [The Spirit] man cannot understand the Gospel, its absolute foolishness to him, Paul's point in 1 Cor 2:14298
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The word know here is the greek word ginōskō and means:
to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
a) to understand
The word is translated understand 8 times in the NT, here is an example:
Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Now Jesus states later why they do not understand when they hear His Word in vs 47
Jn 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The Natural man cannot, does not have the capacity spiritually to hear and understand the Things of God, the Gospel.
And Jesus is very clear as who it is that hears the Gospel and bears fruit upon hearing, here Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Now, its quite obvious this he, could not have been a mere natural man because if he was, how could he not be like other natural men as described here 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know or understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The answer is, this man in Matt 13:23 was already born of God, born of the Spirit, who had already received the Spirit in New Birth !
Thats why its said of him, that he received the seed of the word in Good Ground !
One of the reasons why a man must have the Spirit of God already before he can believe the Gospel Message of the Cross, its because without it [The Spirit] man cannot understand the Gospel, its absolute foolishness to him, Paul's point in 1 Cor 2:14298
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The word know here is the greek word ginōskō and means:
to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel
a) to become known
2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of
a) to understand
The word is translated understand 8 times in the NT, here is an example:
Jn 8:43
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
Now Jesus states later why they do not understand when they hear His Word in vs 47
Jn 8:47
He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
The Natural man cannot, does not have the capacity spiritually to hear and understand the Things of God, the Gospel.
And Jesus is very clear as who it is that hears the Gospel and bears fruit upon hearing, here Matt 13:23
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
Now, its quite obvious this he, could not have been a mere natural man because if he was, how could he not be like other natural men as described here 1 Cor 2:14
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know or understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
The answer is, this man in Matt 13:23 was already born of God, born of the Spirit, who had already received the Spirit in New Birth !
Thats why its said of him, that he received the seed of the word in Good Ground !