Preaching the Gospel !

preacher4truth

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No one has the time to read through 2000 plus posts. Your request is a simple one but like I told you he would not give you a direct answer. Good luck ever getting him to answer any direct question, he never does but sure likes and expects everyone else to answer his questions. That is the definition of a hypocrite- one who hides behind a mask pretending to be someone he is not, an actor in a play.
It is cultish behavior...
 

brightfame52

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The Primary and Initial Rule of the Gospel as it pertains to Salvation, is that its sent by God as a testimony from Him of ones Justification and Righteousness in Christ their Surety before Faith makes it known to their consciousness Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

For the Testimony is Rom 5:6

6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. He died for our Sins 1 Cor 15:3

And by that death, all for whom Christ died, they were Justified before God by His Blood Rom 5:9 and Reconciled to God while enemies Rom 5:10, which simply means before Faith or believing.

You see before Faith and even before we had a being literally in this life physically, Christ hath already before God's Law and Justice Col 2:14-15

14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

This was solely accomplished by His Cross, and this is Justification by His Blood or because of His Blood and Reconciliation by His Death, before we are given both being and faith. The blessing of what Christ did for me in Col 2:14 is not contingent upon my faith, for I had no being at all when He did that for me or any other elect person He died for and satisfied God's Law and Justice for !296

To deny this is to deny the Gospel. This His death, as in He died for us Rom 5:6-8, it put away our sin and condemnation which was written against us Col 2:14, for it was imputed to Christ, and He by His death perfected us forever Heb 10:14, and giving us also a irreversible Eternal Redemption and Justification Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal Redemption / Justification for us.

This is God's Testimony in the Gospel for all for whom Christ died !
 

brightfame52

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Must first have the Spirit of God !

New birth before Faith or believing on Christ or The Gospel because of Salvation is taught in many places in the scripture !

One of the places is here 1 Cor 2:11-14

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.297

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

A Person must first receive the Spirit of God in New Birth, before we are spiritually capacitated to KNOW the things freely given to us of God, which things are made known in the Gospel !

The word know in Vs 12 is the greek word eido which means to know by perception.

To perceive the Things freely given us. The words freely given is the greek charizomai which means:

to do something pleasant or agreeable (to one), to do a favour to, gratify

a) to show one's self gracious, kind, benevolent

b) to grant forgiveness, to pardon

c) to give graciously, give freely, bestow

1) to forgive

2) graciously to restore one to another

3) to preserve for one a person in peril

These are things of Justification, forgiveness of sins ,preservation from wrath

Now to know these things savingly and experimentally through the Gospel, we must first have had received the Spirit of God or these Gospel Truths cannot be received by the Natural Man as stated in Vs 14 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The things of the Spirit of God is first and foremost the Gospel, the Cross of Christ, these Truths surrounding it are foolishness to the Natural man, which simply is any man not born again of the Spirit. The greek word for foolishness is mōria, close to our English word moron which means:

a person who is notably stupid or lacking in good judgment.

The Gospel Truths to the natural man sounds foolish to him, or sounds like folly or they are nonsense to him, neither can he know or understand them.

Now according to Paul, the Preaching of the Cross, the Gospel is to some foolishness 1 Cor 1:18

18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.

The Truths of the Cross are the same as those things of the Spirit of God in 1 Cor 2:12-14

So the natural man and the man that is perishing in their sins, cannot know and embrace and receive into their understanding the Truths of the Gospel.

Jesus said once before which confirms this Truth Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

People who say that the Gospel is so simple that a baby can understand it, they are foolish and ignorant to the Truth. The Natural man cannot understand the Gospel, let alone a natural child.

However, if God has capacitated by New Birth either a man or child to receive the Gospel, to them it will be a message of simplicity as Paul tells these same Corinthians later 2 Cor 11:

3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

But remember, its simplicity unto them because of what Paul stated earlier 1 Cor 2:12-13

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

He spake that concerning only those he had good reason to believe they had been given the Spirit of God, so Yes, to them, the Gospel is a message of simplicity, but not to the Natural man !
 

brightfame52

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Must first have the Spirit of God ! cont

One of the reasons why a man must have the Spirit of God already before he can believe the Gospel Message of the Cross, its because without it [The Spirit] man cannot understand the Gospel, its absolute foolishness to him, Paul's point in 1 Cor 2:14298

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The word know here is the greek word ginōskō and means:


to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

a) to become known

2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

a) to understand

The word is translated understand 8 times in the NT, here is an example:

Jn 8:43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Now Jesus states later why they do not understand when they hear His Word in vs 47

Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

The Natural man cannot, does not have the capacity spiritually to hear and understand the Things of God, the Gospel.

And Jesus is very clear as who it is that hears the Gospel and bears fruit upon hearing, here Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Now, its quite obvious this he, could not have been a mere natural man because if he was, how could he not be like other natural men as described here 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know or understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The answer is, this man in Matt 13:23 was already born of God, born of the Spirit, who had already received the Spirit in New Birth !

Thats why its said of him, that he received the seed of the word in Good Ground !
 

newheart78

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Must first have the Spirit of God ! cont

One of the reasons why a man must have the Spirit of God already before he can believe the Gospel Message of the Cross, its because without it [The Spirit] man cannot understand the Gospel, its absolute foolishness to him, Paul's point in 1 Cor 2:14298

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The word know here is the greek word ginōskō and means:


to learn to know, come to know, get a knowledge of perceive, feel

a) to become known

2) to know, understand, perceive, have knowledge of

a) to understand

The word is translated understand 8 times in the NT, here is an example:

Jn 8:43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Now Jesus states later why they do not understand when they hear His Word in vs 47

Jn 8:47

He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

The Natural man cannot, does not have the capacity spiritually to hear and understand the Things of God, the Gospel.

And Jesus is very clear as who it is that hears the Gospel and bears fruit upon hearing, here Matt 13:23

23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

Now, its quite obvious this he, could not have been a mere natural man because if he was, how could he not be like other natural men as described here 1 Cor 2:14

14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know or understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The answer is, this man in Matt 13:23 was already born of God, born of the Spirit, who had already received the Spirit in New Birth !

Thats why its said of him, that he received the seed of the word in Good Ground !

Amen Brother to parts 1 and 2 !

Because the Gospel belongs to the category of the Things of the Spirit of God, the natural man being in a spiritually dead state, is prevented from receiving them because they must be Spiritually discerned. Therefore, there is no simple way to present the Gospel to the natural man.
For one must first be be of God to Hear God's Words John 8:47.
 

brightfame52

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Hearing the Gospel of Salvation !

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Whenever hearing or heard ,or hear are mentioned positively in regards to Salvation and Gospel matters, it always denotes the ability to hear has been given or the [spiritual] ears have been opened.

For the Hearing as in Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This is not a mere physical hearing with a physical ear, but a spiritual hearing given by spiritual life !

So when Paul writes in Eph 1:13299

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Paul means that they had been given the ability to hear the Word of Truth, by the Spirit of Truth. One must be of the Truth to hear it Jn 18:37

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

In this consideration see Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Because they shall be of the Truth !

Those who have been given the ability to hear the Truth when it comes, such hearing consequently issues into believing the Truth, because the Spirit of God has given life to both hear and believe the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes the ability to hear spiritually is an aspect of the Sanctification of the Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth, since the Truth is sanctified, the vessel receiving it must also be sanctified [experimentally] !

Jesus speaking at one time made this statement Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

This statement is very similar to His statement shown earlier Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

And He means simply this, that it takes being already of God to hear [spiritually] words of Truth [as the Gospel is] which He did speak !

Again, when Jesus said that He had other Sheep [outside of the jewish fold] that SHALL hear His Voice Jn 10:16, He knew this because they shall be already prepared to by first being of God by New Birth when the time and opportunity arrived for them to hear the Truth sent to them as Per Rom 10:14-17

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Paul also knew that Gentiles will be sent this Gospel and will hear it Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

This is but a confirmation of what Jesus said here Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Because they will have been given the ability to hear by the New Birth !
 

newheart78

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Hearing the Gospel of Salvation !

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Whenever hearing or heard ,or hear are mentioned positively in regards to Salvation and Gospel matters, it always denotes the ability to hear has been given or the [spiritual] ears have been opened.

For the Hearing as in Rom 10:17

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

This is not a mere physical hearing with a physical ear, but a spiritual hearing given by spiritual life !

So when Paul writes in Eph 1:13299

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Paul means that they had been given the ability to hear the Word of Truth, by the Spirit of Truth. One must be of the Truth to hear it Jn 18:37

Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

In this consideration see Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Because they shall be of the Truth !

Those who have been given the ability to hear the Truth when it comes, such hearing consequently issues into believing the Truth, because the Spirit of God has given life to both hear and believe the Truth 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

Yes the ability to hear spiritually is an aspect of the Sanctification of the Spirit, which results in belief of the Truth, since the Truth is sanctified, the vessel receiving it must also be sanctified [experimentally] !

Jesus speaking at one time made this statement Jn 8:47

47 He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

This statement is very similar to His statement shown earlier Jn 18:37

37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

And He means simply this, that it takes being already of God to hear [spiritually] words of Truth [as the Gospel is] which He did speak !

Again, when Jesus said that He had other Sheep [outside of the jewish fold] that SHALL hear His Voice Jn 10:16, He knew this because they shall be already prepared to by first being of God by New Birth when the time and opportunity arrived for them to hear the Truth sent to them as Per Rom 10:14-17

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

Paul also knew that Gentiles will be sent this Gospel and will hear it Acts 28:28

Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

This is but a confirmation of what Jesus said here Jn 10:16

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Because they will have been given the ability to hear by the New Birth !
Amen exactly, Ps 20:12 !
 

brightfame52

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The primary reason for the Gospel being sent out !

The primary reason for the Gospel being sent out by God to all the World, was that God's Elect or Sheep or His Church, all the same, who were born again of the resurrection of Christ and incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:3,23 that their salvation should be made known to them and to bring them to the obedience of the Faith Rom 16:25-26

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:

That also they should come to a Knowledge of their Justification by Faith Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

For when Paul says that the Gospel is the Power of God unto Salvation [meaning Conversion] to everyone that is believing, he is not merely referring to the Preached Gospel only, but when that Preached Gospel is spiritually applied to the New Heart given in Regeneration or New Birth, hence that is why Paul said to the believing Thessalonians 1 Thess 1:5

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much assurance; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

But it [ The Gospel ] came by the powerful application work of the Spirit, hence giving them inward conviction [Faith] of it's Truthfulness as it pertained to them individually !

That word assurance is the greek word plērophoria and means:


full assurance, most certain confidence

to make one certain, to persuade, convince one

2) to be persuaded, persuaded, fully convinced or assured

And that is what Faith primarily is, for its the word pistis and means:


conviction of the truth of anything , persuade

a) to persuade, i.e. to induce one by words to believe300

So Paul could have very well said 1 Thess 1:5

5 For our gospel came not unto you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Ghost, and in much faith or persuasion; as ye know what manner of men we were among you for your sake.

All whom were Newly Born by the Spirit the Gospel preached unto them would cause them to be persuaded and believe ! And so to them, its the Power of God unto Salvation !
 

Johnnybgood

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The primary reason for the Gospel being sent out !

The primary reason for the Gospel being sent out by God to all the World, was that God's Elect or Sheep or His Church, all the same, who were born again of the resurrection of Christ and incorruptible seed 1 Pet 1:3,23 that their salvation should be made known to them and to bring them to the obedience of the Faith Rom 16:25-26
Are you saying they were saved before hearing the gospel ?
 

Johnnybgood

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Correct one must be born again Spiritually in order to hear the Gospel with a Spiritual hearing !
So faith comes before hearing and hearing the word of God

instead of faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

and if you confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead you will be saved

Those passages are lies since you claim one is saved prior to faith and confession .

That is completely backwards from the easy understanding of those scriptures.
 

brightfame52

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So faith comes before hearing and hearing the word of God

instead of faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God

and if you confess Jesus is Lord and believe God raised Him from the dead you will be saved

Those passages are lies since you claim one is saved prior to faith and confession .

That is completely backwards from the easy understanding of those scriptures.
The Gospel is hidden to them which are lost, resulting in them believing not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
 

Johnnybgood

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The Gospel is hidden to them which are lost, resulting in them believing not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
You ignored the verses I quoted
 

brightfame52

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More like the other way around my “ friend “. Friends do not treat friends that way .
I dont attempt to explain verses and passages of scripture to people who already reject and contend with the scriptures I have already given my explanation to. So you can forget about me explaining verses you run and go find.
 

brightfame52

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When Jesus sent out His disciples abroad with the Gospel, the main purpose was to teach the Gospel Truths to those that by and through His Resurrection, the Spirit hath given New Life unto ! Remember Jesus said for them to Teach Matt 28:19-20

19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The first word teach in Vs 19 is the greek word matheteuo and means:


to be a disciple of one

a) to follow his precepts and instructions

2) to make a disciple

a) to teach, instruct

This therefore presupposes they would be in a spiritual condition to receive the instruction or to be made a disciple or follower !

The second word teaching in Vs 20 is the greek word didaskō which means to:


to teach

a) to hold discourse with others in order to instruct them, deliver didactic discourses

b) to be a teacher

c) to discharge the office of a teacher, conduct one's self as a teacher

2) to teach one

a) to impart instruction

b) instill doctrine into one

c) the thing taught or enjoined

d) to explain or expound a thing

f) to teach one something

Both of these took place on the Day of Pentecost, Peter instructed those here Acts 2:37-38

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Peter was giving instruction here to those who had been made spiritually alive by the Spirit !

Then they indoctrinated them Acts 2:41-42

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

So Jesus was merely telling them here in Matt 28:19-20 what He had told Peter earlier and that was to feed His Sheep and Lambs Jn 21:16-17

16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

Jesus had already promised they [His Sheep] shall hear His Voice through them Jn 10:16


16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

That is they will be spiritually ready to receive the Preaching and teaching and instruction of the sent Gospel Messengers !

When Christ sent Peter to the Gentile Cornelius with the Gospel, it was to feed His Sheep and to disciple him as commanded in Matt 28:19-20 Those whom Christ had cleansed with His Blood and quickened by His Spirit. Acts 10:15

And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.

That word cleansed is the same word used in Heb 9:14 301

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge or cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

So that's who Jesus sent the Gospel to in regards to matters of Salvation, all those made alive by His resurrection 1 Pet 1:3 and in a spiritual capacity to receive Gospel instruction and doctrine !
 
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