Johnnybgood
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I am still waiting for them to tell me what faith and the gospel means. A person needs to understand them to be saved.
Preaching the Gospel !
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Chalcedon
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I have been asking them for months but always get the run around. Its best to just ignore their posts then maybe they will get the hint that no one is buying what they are selling. Most everyone here will answer direct questions with the exception of a few posters that you have already experienced their run around and evasiveness with those questions . Its their modus operandi.
hope this helps !!!
brightfame52
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To bring Light and Immortality to light !
One of the purposes for the Gospel when it comes to Salvation, is that by it, God purposed to bring to light, spiritual life and Immortality which was given by New Birth which comes through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead !
2 Tim 1:8-11
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;308
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
That Life that is brought to light is that Life Christ gives His Church that they had in Him as their Head of the Church Jn 1:4
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. This Life is Immortal because Christ is Immortal !
This Incorruptible and Immortal Life is communicated by being born again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Now this word begotten is the greek word anagennaō:
to produce again, be born again, born anew
2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
This New Life comes from the quality of the seed it is begotten from as per 1 Pet 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
That Incorruptible seed is produces the Immortal life brought to light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
Paul was appointed a Preacher to those who had been begotten again with Immortal, incorruptible Life, which would come to light or manifestation by the Gospel !
One of the purposes for the Gospel when it comes to Salvation, is that by it, God purposed to bring to light, spiritual life and Immortality which was given by New Birth which comes through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead !
2 Tim 1:8-11
8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;308
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
That Life that is brought to light is that Life Christ gives His Church that they had in Him as their Head of the Church Jn 1:4
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. This Life is Immortal because Christ is Immortal !
This Incorruptible and Immortal Life is communicated by being born again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3
3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
Now this word begotten is the greek word anagennaō:
to produce again, be born again, born anew
2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God
This New Life comes from the quality of the seed it is begotten from as per 1 Pet 1:23
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
That Incorruptible seed is produces the Immortal life brought to light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:10
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
Paul was appointed a Preacher to those who had been begotten again with Immortal, incorruptible Life, which would come to light or manifestation by the Gospel !
brightfame52
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Saved by His Purpose and Grace !
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now exactly just what is this purpose and grace given us in Christ Jesus and which the saved are saved by before the world began ?
First of all its God's Eternal Purpose of Election which Paul mentions here in Rom 9:11
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )
This Purpose of Election concerns the Chosen in Christ the Beloved before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
And secondly, this Purpose of Election is a Election of Grace Rom 11:5
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Now its of Grace that it cannot be of works Vs 6
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Which means, this Election of Grace cannot be based upon anything the ones elected did or did not do, for all such doings constitute works. If one falsely teaches that Election is based upon God foreseeing they would believe or accept or repent or be baptized, or obey, then they lie against the Truth, for Paul clearly writes this about the purpose of election Rom 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
Nothing can be more clearer that God does not elect based upon anything a person does, or did not do !
Also that this is a Salvation Issue being discussed is plain by #1 that Paul denies Works involvement in Election in Rom 9:11 and Rom 11:5-6
And #2 Thats Salvation is the matter in Rom 9:11,24 is clear by Paul's contrast of Works and Calling, which calling is again mentioned in Vs 24
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Which is the same called of 2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Now exactly just what is this purpose and grace given us in Christ Jesus and which the saved are saved by before the world began ?
First of all its God's Eternal Purpose of Election which Paul mentions here in Rom 9:11
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )
This Purpose of Election concerns the Chosen in Christ the Beloved before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
And secondly, this Purpose of Election is a Election of Grace Rom 11:5
5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
Now its of Grace that it cannot be of works Vs 6
6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Which means, this Election of Grace cannot be based upon anything the ones elected did or did not do, for all such doings constitute works. If one falsely teaches that Election is based upon God foreseeing they would believe or accept or repent or be baptized, or obey, then they lie against the Truth, for Paul clearly writes this about the purpose of election Rom 9:11
(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)
Nothing can be more clearer that God does not elect based upon anything a person does, or did not do !
Also that this is a Salvation Issue being discussed is plain by #1 that Paul denies Works involvement in Election in Rom 9:11 and Rom 11:5-6
And #2 Thats Salvation is the matter in Rom 9:11,24 is clear by Paul's contrast of Works and Calling, which calling is again mentioned in Vs 24
24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Which is the same called of 2 Tim 1:9
Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
newheart78
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Amen Brother, not only Called and Saved according to God's own Purpose, but also by His Grace given His Elect in Christ Jesus before Time;
for it is only God-Given Faith in New Birth that receives this Truth !
brightfame52
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Amen, exactly what i was thinking. Gods Gift of Faith He gives His people will believe a Gospel that God sent Jesus Christ into the world to save Gods Chosen people. Isa 53:8
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Matt 1:21
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
newheart78
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Surely Amen !
brightfame52
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The Saving purpose of the Gospel !
2 Tim 1:9-10
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
If Christ died for us, He is our Saviour, He hath for us abolished death ! The Purpose of the Gospel when it comes to Salvation,is that it might bring to light life and immortality, which is the Essence of New Birth, a Quickened Immortal Life. All Gospel Obedience such as Faith and Repentance comes forth as a result of this Immortal Life. Faith is the fruit of the New Birth which is obedient to the Gospel Summons or Call ! 2 Thess 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now understand who is being called here Vs 13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Those who have partook of Sanctification of the Spirit, which is the communicating of that Immortal life !310
2 Tim 1:9-10
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:
If Christ died for us, He is our Saviour, He hath for us abolished death ! The Purpose of the Gospel when it comes to Salvation,is that it might bring to light life and immortality, which is the Essence of New Birth, a Quickened Immortal Life. All Gospel Obedience such as Faith and Repentance comes forth as a result of this Immortal Life. Faith is the fruit of the New Birth which is obedient to the Gospel Summons or Call ! 2 Thess 2:14
Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Now understand who is being called here Vs 13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Those who have partook of Sanctification of the Spirit, which is the communicating of that Immortal life !310
Our Lord's God
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The context of 2 Thess tells you that Paul there is not talking about this:
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God
but about this:
27 And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment, 28 so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time without respect to sin, to save those who eagerly await Him. (Heb 9:28; see also 1 Thess 5:9)
But you would need to actually care about the truth to know that.
brightfame52
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You still dont get it, cant say I didnt take time to explain this matter to you my friend.
Our Lord's God
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That's nice.
brightfame52
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Saved before we Believe the Gospel !
That one is saved before they believe the Gospel is seen here 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Here note the Divine order, being saved precedes the Divine Call by the Gospel 2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This is also why Paul writes that Gospel is hid to them that are lost [not saved], for the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Of course the most reasonable inference from this is that the Gospel is not hid from them that are saved, their minds not being blinded by the god of this world, because Christ destroyed his hold over them, and so they are believing !311
That one is saved before they believe the Gospel is seen here 2 Tim 1:9
9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
Here note the Divine order, being saved precedes the Divine Call by the Gospel 2 Thess 2:13-14
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
This is also why Paul writes that Gospel is hid to them that are lost [not saved], for the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them that believe not 2 Cor 4:3-4
But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Of course the most reasonable inference from this is that the Gospel is not hid from them that are saved, their minds not being blinded by the god of this world, because Christ destroyed his hold over them, and so they are believing !311
newheart78
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Amen Brother, in the Divine Purpose of God, His Elect are legally Saved / Sanctified / Justified and Called before we are given Faith to Believe the Gospel in time, because it was from Everlasting that God Loved us In Christ Our Beloved Surety, and we were made accepted In Him !
brightfame52
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Praise the Lord !
newheart78
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Praising Him Indeed !
Our Lord's God
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Maybe your imagination is telling you that but this text doesn't.
He is speaking to Christians who eagerly await for Jesus to save them when he comes again.
This is why you can't see.
brightfame52
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You cant comprehend these things can you friend ?