Preaching the Gospel !

brightfame52

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The Gospel call is to the redeemed !

Isa 44:22

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

or in NT language 2 Cor 5:19-20

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

The Gospel call to the redeemed, is that they [having been redeemed] return to the Lord. They do not return to the Lord to get redeemed, or to get their transgressions blotteth out, or their sins forgiven, but because God hath already done that for them [through Christ], hence the Gospel is the Good News of ones's Salvation or Redemption, and Forgiveness Eph 1:7-13313

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

And so the Gospel is not an offer for men to make a choice about, but its informative to those who have a full Redemption through Christ.

Redemption takes into account the forgiveness of sins.

The ones in 2 Cor 5:20 are being reconciled by the call because they had no sins laid to their charge Vs 19, that fact meant they were already forgiven and redeemed before their call ! And that is the corresponding point of the call in Isa 45:22 !
 
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TomFL

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The Gospel call is to the redeemed !

Isa 44:22

22 I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me; for I have redeemed thee.

or in NT language 2 Cor 5:19-20

19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

The Gospel call to the redeemed, is that they [having been redeemed] return to the Lord. They do not return to the Lord to get redeemed, or to get their transgressions blotteth out, or their sins forgiven, but because God hath already done that for them [through Christ], hence the Gospel is the Good News of ones's Salvation or Redemption, and Forgiveness Eph 1:7-13313

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

And so the Gospel is not an offer for men to make a choice about, but its informative to those who have a full Redemption through Christ.

Redemption takes into account the forgiveness of sins.

The ones in 2 Cor 5:20 are being reconciled by the call because they had no sins laid to their charge Vs 19, that fact meant they were already forgiven and redeemed before their call ! And that is the corresponding point of the call in Isa 45:22 !
The gospel is for all which is why it is to be preached to all

Mark 16:15 (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

You are certifying your hyper Calvinism
 

brightfame52

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The gospel is for all which is why it is to be preached to all

Mark 16:15 (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

You are certifying your hyper Calvinism
The Gospel as a word of Salvation is unto the saved, the redeemed. The preacher doesnt know who the saved, the redeemed are, but God does. So the Gospel is taken by the Spirit and reveals it to the saved. Whenever a Preacher preaches the Gospel, hes at the mercy of God on whether or not its a word of salvation to the redeemed elect, or if its a word of death to the non elect vessel of wrath.
 
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TomFL

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The Gospel as a word of Salvation is unto the saved, the redeemed. The preacher doesnt know who the saved, the redeemed are, but God does. So the Gospel is taken by the Spirit and reveals it to the saved. Whenever a Preacher preaches the Gospel, hes at the mercy of God on whether or not its a word of salvation to the redeemed elect, or if its a word of death to the non elect vessel of wrath.
The gospel is for all people

Mark 16:15 (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Its message states Christ died for our sins

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (KJV)
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

Paul preach to the unconverted Corinthians

Christ died for our sins

Can you preach that

if not you are preaching another gospel
 

brightfame52

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The gospel is for all people

Mark 16:15 (KJV)
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Its message states Christ died for our sins

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (KJV)
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed.

Paul preach to the unconverted Corinthians

Christ died for our sins

Can you preach that

if not you are preaching another gospel
The Gospel is unto the damned a savour of death, and unto the saved a savour of life, all according to Gods purpose.
 
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TomFL

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The Gospel in the purpose of God has a twofold purpose, to the saved a savour of life to the lost a savour of death. 2 Cor 2
One must hear the gospel and of the person of Christ before one can reject him/it and join the status of the perishing
 
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TomFL

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Like I said, there is a twofold purpose for the Gospel, a purpose for the saved and a purpose for the lost. 2 Cor 2
You really don't have a biblical gospel - good news

In the bible the good news is Christ died for our sin. It includes his life death and resurrection

It is by his life we are saved when we believe upon him

In your theology you were saved by unconditional election

That is your good news but such never appears in the bible
 

brightfame52

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You really don't have a biblical gospel - good news

In the bible the good news is Christ died for our sin. It includes his life death and resurrection

It is by his life we are saved when we believe upon him

In your theology you were saved by unconditional election

That is your good news but such never appears in the bible
Like I stated, the Gospel is sent to some as a message of death, and to some as a message of life.
 
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TomFL

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Like I stated, the Gospel is sent to some as a message of death, and to some as a message of life.
Is there a reason you are always unresponsive to biblical criticism ?

I noted and failed to address the following

You really don't have a biblical gospel - good news

In the bible the good news is Christ died for our sin. It includes his life death and resurrection

It is by his life we are saved when we believe upon him

In your theology you were saved by unconditional election

That is your good news but such never appears in the bible as the gospel
 

brightfame52

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Christ Jesus the Power and Wisdom of God !

1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Now Christ in preaching is the Power of God and Wisdom of God, to those who are called, in the original it is the called, and to them only, Christ being preached is the converting power of God ,its the same as the Gospel being the Power of God to them that are believing Rom 1:16. The Ones believing in Rom 1:16 are the same ones being called in 1 Cor 1:24, and to them,in the Wisdom of God, Preaching is God's means of saving them as in converting them to faith 1 Cor 1:21.

Again 1 Cor 1:18, Preaching is to them being saved, is the Power of God. The word saved here is in the passive voice, and God is saving them by His Power through Preaching Vs 21

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.314

Preaching to those being saved[conversion] is the Power of God. God in His Wisdom chose Preaching Christ to be the powerful way of converting them, believing being the effect produced by preaching, and so by preaching to the called God's Power is at Work Rom 1:16 causing the believing making manifest their Salvation.

Preaching is not as the false teachers make it out to be, a offer of Salvation to all without exception, so its up to you to either accept it or reject it, but it is God exerting His Saving Strength, through the Power of the Holy Spirit, and the Truth of the Gospel, to cause the Called to believe in Christ, who hath saved them, Redeemed them and Justified by His Blood !
 
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TomFL

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Christ Jesus the Power and Wisdom of God !

1 Cor 1:23-24

23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;

24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

Now Christ in preaching is the Power of God and Wisdom of God, to those who are called, in the original it is the called, and to them only, Christ being preached is the converting power of God ,its the same as the Gospel being the Power of God to them that are believing Rom 1:16. The Ones believing in Rom 1:16 are the same ones being called in 1 Cor 1:24, and to them,in the Wisdom of God, Preaching is God's means of saving them as in converting them to faith 1 Cor 1:21.

Again 1 Cor 1:18, Preaching is to them being saved, is the Power of God. The word saved here is in the passive voice, and God is saving them by His Power through Preaching Vs 21

21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.314

Preaching to those being saved[conversion] is the Power of God. God in His Wisdom chose Preaching Christ to be the powerful way of converting them, believing being the effect produced by preaching, and so by preaching to the called God's Power is at Work Rom 1:16 causing the believing making manifest their Salvation.

Preaching is not as the false teachers make it out to be, a offer of Salvation to all without exception, so its up to you to either accept it or reject it, but it is God exerting His Saving Strength, through the Power of the Holy Spirit, and the Truth of the Gospel, to cause the Called to believe in Christ, who hath saved them, Redeemed them and Justified by His Blood !
So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse
 

brightfame52

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So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse
Unless a person is saved, the Gospel is a stumbling block and foolishness unto them.
 
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TomFL

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Unless a person is saved, the Gospel is a stumbling block and foolishness unto them.
You failed to address the question

So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse

seems men believe them are saved

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

your theology has it backwards
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You failed to address the question

So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse

seems men believe them are saved

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

your theology has it backwards
God has a multipurpose for the Gospel, a purpose for the saved, and a purpose for the lost condemned.
 
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