Preaching the Gospel !

Theo1689

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Read brightfame52 thread "Preaching the Gospel" which will answer those questions and much more !

Yeah, you already said that with using your "brightfame" nick.

Asking someone to wade through over 2,100 posts, just because you (using either nick) are too lazy to give an answer, is more than lame. Jesus Christ would be ashamed of you.
 

Johnnybgood

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Yeah, you already said that with using your "brightfame" nick.

Asking someone to wade through over 2,100 posts, just because you (using either nick) are too lazy to give an answer, is more than lame. Jesus Christ would be ashamed of you.
I find it rather strange they give the exact same response as if they are clairvoyant with one another and can read each other’s thoughts . One thing is for sure it’s not the Holy Spirits leading because the HS would lead them to share the good news not hide it from me.
 

Johnnybgood

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Then read my thread, I give a multitude of vies of how I see the Gospel. Other than that my friend, you wasting your time and mine. I dont believe you are sincerely interested in my view of the Gospel.
I’m interested in what you do not know which is the gospel since you are incapable of providing a simple definition . I’m sorry that I have put a stumbling block before you .
 

brightfame52

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Is the Gospel, the things of God ?

1 Cor 2:11-13

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Many today do not think or realize of the Gospel that the Apostles preached or spoke as the things of God, in fact in context here that is the very subject of the things of God they spoke of, even Christ and Him Crucified Vs 1 -2 1 Cor 2:1-2

And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.

2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

The things of God, the Testimony of God, the Gospel !

Its the Things of God because of it's Divine Origin from God of which Paul calls it the Gospel of God ! Rom 1:1


Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

Gospel of God here in the greek is Genitive the case of possession. The emphasis by Paul is on the kind of Gospel, the One out of God !

Now how for men to deny that the Gospel is not " of the things of God" is a Mystery to me, but some men deny it !

The Gospel is of God because its a Revelation, for Paul states of it, that He did not learn it or was taught it by men, but by the Revelation of Jesus Christ Gal 1:11-12

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation or unveiling of [from] Jesus Christ.

The Revelation from Jesus Christ is the same as it being revealed by His Spirit as in 1 Cor 2:10

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Also the Gospel reveals the Righteousness of God Rom 1:16-17

16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

That's also one of the Things of God revealed [The Righteousness of God Imputed] !

Its one of those things that has been freely given to us of God as Per 1 Cor 2:12


12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Remember also how Paul stated that He received the Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-3

Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

The receiving here is by Revelation as it was unto them that also received it as He did Vs 1

Folks before we can believe the Gospel of God in any kind of conversion way, it must be revealed to us by the Spirit, then we receive it in a biblical way ! We must have already been given the Spirit, in order to know [ experientially] of the things of God given to us, which things the Gospel announces ! Isa 53:1

Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?

And so Paul writes 1 Cor 2:11-12

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

Thats the way to believe the Report, by having been first given the Spirit of God !305

Paul clearly indicates here that first the Spirit of God is given [in regeneration or new birth] in order that we may know [comprehended] those things given to us of God, like the Righteousness of God imputed Rom 1:16-17 !

Also things like forgiveness of sins, which why they must have been preached ! Lk 24:47 ; Acts 13:38 and so the Spirit of God was given that we may know of forgiveness of sins experientially Lk 1:77

77 To give knowledge[or revelation] of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,
 

brightfame52

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Is the Gospel, the things of God ? cont

As we continue the thought of Lk 1:77, the knowledge here is a Spiritual Knowledge that brings experiential knowledge by Spiritual comprehension, which is only possible by having been given already the Spirit of God !

Now notice in 1 Cor 2:13a

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Which things we speak ! The Gospel things he spake ! Now what are the things the Apostle has been speaking to the Corinthians ? Its the Word of the Gospel; for Jesus told Paul in a vision to speak the Word to them because He had much People [to be converted] in that city Acts 18:9-10

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

That same word speak is used in 1 Cor 2:6,7,13

Hence this proves that the Gospel is considered " the things of God" and so considered, before it can be believed or received it must be revealed to us by the Spirit ! We must be already given by New Birth a Spiritual capacity to comprehend the things of God !
 

newheart78

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Is the Gospel, the things of God ? cont

As we continue the thought of Lk 1:77, the knowledge here is a Spiritual Knowledge that brings experiential knowledge by Spiritual comprehension, which is only possible by having been given already the Spirit of God !

Now notice in 1 Cor 2:13a

13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Which things we speak ! The Gospel things he spake ! Now what are the things the Apostle has been speaking to the Corinthians ? Its the Word of the Gospel; for Jesus told Paul in a vision to speak the Word to them because He had much People [to be converted] in that city Acts 18:9-10

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

That same word speak is used in 1 Cor 2:6,7,13

Hence this proves that the Gospel is considered " the things of God" and so considered, before it can be believed or received it must be revealed to us by the Spirit ! We must be already given by New Birth a Spiritual capacity to comprehend the things of God !

Exactly Brother, it's only to those who have already been given New Birth, made Spiritually Alive, that the Gospel is revealed to.

1 Cor. 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

1 Cor. 1:24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
 

brightfame52

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Only a Saved Person can Believe the Gospel !

Eph 1:13

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

When it comes to Gospel Preaching and Salvation, it is only for the saved ! In other words, the Gospel is sent to some who are saved to inform them of the Good News of their Salvation, or the Salvation of you !

In the greek it's :

"thv swthriav umwn" The word you umwn is a personal possessive pronoun Genitive Case !

This means that before the Gospel can be good news for one, that one must already Possess Salvation, or in other words already be saved, then it is that Trust and believe !

This is especially clear in that Paul is very clear that those who are Lost, in a lost or unsaved state, then the Gospel is hid from them 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

When the Gospel is preached to those who believe not, it is because they are lost or damned Mk 16:15-16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

That coincides with 2 Cor 4:4307

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They believe not because the Gospel is hid from them, and they are in a lost, condemned state !

Now if they are saved when they hear the Gospel, then they believe and are baptized as a public confession !
 

brightfame52

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Believing the Gospel is not as false teachers project it to be, that of accepting an bogus offer, after Christ has supposedly offered up Himself for all without exception, to the so called freewill of men ! But no, it is the spiritual reception of the Divine Testimony about Christ and His Redemptive Work through His Cross for His Church, the Sheep, or His People ! 1 Tim 2:4-6

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

It is then those whom Christ is Mediator of, they are sent a Testimony Via the Gospel !

This Testimony is received or Believed by those it is designed for as here 2 Thess 1:10

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony[Of the Gospel] among you was believed) in that day.

We receive this Testimony of the Gospel only as it is by the Power of the Holy Spirit and it is then confirmed in us as per 1 Cor 1:6

Even as the testimony of Christ[Or Gospel of Christ] was confirmed in you:

All for whom Christ died, it will be personally testified to them by the Gospel and the Power of the Holy Spirit so they will believe in their Salvation by Him !
 

newheart78

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Believing the Gospel is not as false teachers project it to be, that of accepting an bogus offer, after Christ has supposedly offered up Himself for all without exception, to the so called freewill of men ! But no, it is the spiritual reception of the Divine Testimony about Christ and His Redemptive Work through His Cross for His Church, the Sheep, or His People ! 1 Tim 2:4-6

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

It is then those whom Christ is Mediator of, they are sent a Testimony Via the Gospel !

This Testimony is received or Believed by those it is designed for as here 2 Thess 1:10

10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony[Of the Gospel] among you was believed) in that day.

We receive this Testimony of the Gospel only as it is by the Power of the Holy Spirit and it is then confirmed in us as per 1 Cor 1:6

Even as the testimony of Christ[Or Gospel of Christ] was confirmed in you:

All for whom Christ died, it will be personally testified to them by the Gospel and the Power of the Holy Spirit so they will believe in their Salvation by Him !
Amen exactly Brother !
 

civic

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Amen exactly Brother !
So exactly what is the gospel . Can you or @brightfame52 give us a definition and please don’t give us the cop out read the thread because there is no definition anywhere from either one of you . The only ones you are fooling on this forum is yourselves not us . You even gave the new member the run around .

Jesus said those who deny Him before men the Father will also deny. You are in denial.

hope this helps !!!
 

Johnnybgood

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So exactly what is the gospel . Can you or @brightfame52 give us a definition and please don’t give us the cop out read the thread because there is no definition anywhere from either one of you . The only ones you are fooling on this forum is yourselves not us . You even gave the new member the run around .

Jesus said those who deny Him before men the Father will also deny. You are in denial.

hope this helps !!!
I am still waiting for them to tell me what faith and the gospel means. A person needs to understand them to be saved.
 

civic

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I am still waiting for them to tell me what faith and the gospel means. A person needs to understand them to be saved.
I have been asking them for months but always get the run around. Its best to just ignore their posts then maybe they will get the hint that no one is buying what they are selling. Most everyone here will answer direct questions with the exception of a few posters that you have already experienced their run around and evasiveness with those questions . Its their modus operandi.

hope this helps !!!
 

brightfame52

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To bring Light and Immortality to light !


One of the purposes for the Gospel when it comes to Salvation, is that by it, God purposed to bring to light, spiritual life and Immortality which was given by New Birth which comes through the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead !

2 Tim 1:8-11

8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;308

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

That Life that is brought to light is that Life Christ gives His Church that they had in Him as their Head of the Church Jn 1:4

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. This Life is Immortal because Christ is Immortal !

This Incorruptible and Immortal Life is communicated by being born again by the Resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead 1 Pet 1:3

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

Now this word begotten is the greek word anagennaō:

to produce again, be born again, born anew

2) metaph. to have one's mind changed so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

This New Life comes from the quality of the seed it is begotten from as per 1 Pet 1:23

23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

That Incorruptible seed is produces the Immortal life brought to light by the Gospel 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Paul was appointed a Preacher to those who had been begotten again with Immortal, incorruptible Life, which would come to light or manifestation by the Gospel !
 

brightfame52

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Saved by His Purpose and Grace !

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Now exactly just what is this purpose and grace given us in Christ Jesus and which the saved are saved by before the world began ?

First of all its God's Eternal Purpose of Election which Paul mentions here in Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

This Purpose of Election concerns the Chosen in Christ the Beloved before the foundation of the World Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:


And secondly, this Purpose of Election is a Election of Grace Rom 11:5

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Now its of Grace that it cannot be of works Vs 6

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

Which means, this Election of Grace cannot be based upon anything the ones elected did or did not do, for all such doings constitute works. If one falsely teaches that Election is based upon God foreseeing they would believe or accept or repent or be baptized, or obey, then they lie against the Truth, for Paul clearly writes this about the purpose of election Rom 9:11

(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth)

Nothing can be more clearer that God does not elect based upon anything a person does, or did not do !

Also that this is a Salvation Issue being discussed is plain by #1 that Paul denies Works involvement in Election in Rom 9:11 and Rom 11:5-6

And #2 Thats Salvation is the matter in Rom 9:11,24 is clear by Paul's contrast of Works and Calling, which calling is again mentioned in Vs 24

24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

Which is the same called of 2 Tim 1:9

Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,
 
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