Preaching the Gospel !

brightfame52

Well-known member
Once again you fail to address what was asked of you

So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse

seems men believe then are saved

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

your theology has it backwards
Once again, the Gospel has a double purpose, a purpose to the save, and a purpose for the damned. 2 Cor 2. God doesnt expect the damned to believe the Gospel, not in a salvation sense, He has ordained that they believe a lie, not the truth 2 Thess 2:11

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
 

TomFL

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Once again, the Gospel has a double purpose, a purpose to the save, and a purpose for the damned. 2 Cor 2. God doesnt expect the damned to believe the Gospel, not in a salvation sense, He has ordained that they believe a lie, not the truth 2 Thess 2:11

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
Context

That concerns those who refused the truth

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

This remains true

Once again you fail to address what was asked of you

So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse

seems men believe then are saved

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

your theology has it backwards
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Salvation and Righteousness !

Isa 61:10

I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

The Salvation of those Christ died for is His Righteousness being imputed to them, and its based on this Imputed Righteousness of God, that is what the Gospel Makes Known or Reveals as it pertains to Salvation, when it goes out into the world.

In this, the Gospel reveals to them that have been given the fruit of Faith by the Spirit Gal 5:22, the Gospel makes known TO THEM, that Righteousness of God imputed to them, solely based upon Christ having been made sin for them, that they should be made the Righteousness of God in Him 2 Cor 5:21

21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. Cp

Rom 1:17

17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

The Righteousness of God [ or Their Salvation ] is revealed to Faith [not the natural man], and the Righteousness of God is not ones Faith or act of believing, but the Righteousness of God is revealed to their Faith which is God given.

It is revealed from Faith to Faith ! The First word Faith here in Rom 1:17 means the Gospel [Vs 16] which is also called Faith as in Preaching the Faith or the Gospel Rom 10:8 Rom 10:8

8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

This Word of Faith which is the Gospel, reveals to Faith the Righteousness of God or God's Salvation to that one with God given Faith !315
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Context

That concerns those who refused the truth

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

This remains true

Once again you fail to address what was asked of you

So how is it

2 Thessalonians 2:10 (KJV)
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

those capable of being saved refuse

seems men believe then are saved

1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

your theology has it backwards
Its not Gods will for everybody to believe the Gospel, some people He has deliberately sent them a strong delusion to believe a lie, not the truth of the Gospel.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Its not Gods will for everybody to believe the Gospel, some people He has deliberately sent them a strong delusion to believe a lie, not the truth of the Gospel.
Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
I dont see where u have a leg to stand on !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
I dont see where u have a leg to stand on !

Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
The Gospel is good news, but to who ?

The Gospel is good news, but to who ? Why its good news, glad tidings to sinners, that is to sinners that have been [by the Holy Spirit] made sensible to their sinfulness and their need of their Saviour. This is very important in God's purpose of Grace. That is why Jesus says specifically Matt 9:13

But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Yes, all men are sinners by nature, but not all men are made sensible sinners as to their helplessness and the exceeding sinfulness of sin that the only the Holy Spirit provides Rom 7:13

13 Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.

This verse is key to what it means to be a sinner as God See's sinfulness in the human heart, to agree with God about it ! Rom 7:7

7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


To clarify what was said above that all men [though sinners] are not made sensible to their helplessness as sinners, we go to this portion of scripture Lk 18:9-15 !

Now both of these men were sinners, but which of the Two fits more of the description of the sinners that Jesus came to call to repentance ? Which one of them fits the description of those Jesus said unto them Matt 11:28

28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Notice the words of the publican Lk 18:13

13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

Now the pharisee his counterpart, he was a sinner too, but do you think he feels the same way as the publican does about being a sinner ?

He felt like the ones Jesus said He did not come to call, the righteous ! For we read this of the pharisee Lk 18:9

9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Now which of the type of men did Paul mean when he stated this 1 Tim 1:15

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
Do you understand what I stated about Salvation and Righteousness ? I took time to explain my point.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Do you understand what I stated about Salvation and Righteousness ? I took time to explain my point.
You ran from text and context

Context is your enemy

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Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You ran from text and context

Context is your enemy

..........

Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
So apparently you are evading my points about Salvation and Righteousness ! These are Gospel themes.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
So apparently you are evading my points about Salvation and Righteousness ! These are Gospel themes.
Seems you are desperate to avoid dealing with the poor manner in which you interpret scripture

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You ran from text and context

Context is your enemy

..........

Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
 

civic

Well-known member
Seems you are desperate to avoid dealing with the poor manner in which you interpret scripture

.......................

You ran from text and context

Context is your enemy

..........

Apparently you are unable to see

The word therefore denotes what is a result of what went before

Still you ignore post and context

It's those who refuse the truth who

2 Thessalonians 2:10-11 (ESV)
10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
11 Therefore God sends them a strong delusion, so that they may believe what is false,

are sent a strong delusion
He always runs away from questions and context it’s like talking to a wall
 

newheart78

Well-known member
Still ignores the fact

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

Men are chosen in Christ when they believe
False!
 
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