Preaching the Gospel !

TomFL

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Do you ever read and consider the scriptures when trying to justify truth claims ?

You just stated a scripture verse was false

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
 

preacher4truth

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Do you ever read and consider the scriptures when trying to justify truth claims ?

You just stated a scripture verse was false

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
That's not what @brightfame52/@newheart78 was disagreeing with, and I am certain you know that. He was disagreeing that we are chosen only when we believe, which is utter nonsense, and it isn't in the text.
 

brightfame52

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The Gospel is good news, but to who ? cont

All the sinners that Christ died for, a whole World of them, that they should believe in Him for all their Salvation, the Holy Spirit's Mission from Christ to them is to convince them of Sin Jn 16:8-9

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;

The word reprove is the greek word elegchō and means to:


to convict, refute, confute

a) generally with a suggestion of shame of the person convicted

b) by conviction to bring to the light, to expose

2) to find fault with, correct

a) by word

1) to reprehend severely, chide, admonish, reprove

2) to call to account, show one his fault, demand an explanation

b) by deed

1) to chasten, to punish

Its the same word used here Heb 12:5

5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

Also here Rev 3:19

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

The World in Jn 16:8 is the World of His Son's and this World of sinners will be reproved for their sin.

It is also the word used here Jn 3:20

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

This tells us that those in the World of Jn 16:8 who the Spirit reproves for sin, shall come to the Light Jn 3:21

But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

The Light of the Gospel 2 Cor 4:4

In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Thats the Job of the Holy Spirit , He prepares those Christ died for to see their need of Christ, and His Righteousness by reproving them of sin and their helplessness, and they because of that cometh to the Light of the Gospel which Reveals to them Christ as their Saviour !

The Spirit shall make those Christ died for sensible sinners like the publican of Lk 18, even if they are sinners like the pharisee in Lk 18, if they belong to the Election of Grace, look at Saul who became Paul !317

He makes them sensible sinners in order for them to believe on Christ, for up to then, they are unbelievers, Jn 16:9 however the Work of the Spirit remedies that by His impartation of the Fruit of Faith Gal 5:22 !
 

TomFL

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That's not what @brightfame52/@newheart78 was disagreeing with, and I am certain you know that. He was disagreeing that we are chosen only when we believe, which is utter nonsense, and it isn't in the text.
Your first problem is that Newheart78

replied false to

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

which notes men are in Christ when they believe

and if you deny that, that would be your second problem
 

brightfame52

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom !

The True Gospel of the Kingdom or the Gospel of God's Grace, for they are one and the same Acts 20:24-25

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

It is the good news of the salvation of God's Chosen People, the Church Eph 1:3-13

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1 Thess 1:4

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

He called those Chosen to Salvation by the Apostles Gospel !

The Gospel Highlights all the Gracious things Christ did to Save the People of God !
 

civic

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom !

The True Gospel of the Kingdom or the Gospel of God's Grace, for they are one and the same Acts 20:24-25

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

It is the good news of the salvation of God's Chosen People, the Church Eph 1:3-13

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1 Thess 1:4

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

He called those Chosen to Salvation by the Apostles Gospel !

The Gospel Highlights all the Gracious things Christ did to Save the People of God !
Still no definition of the Gospel. Talking about the gospel is meaningless unless you can communicate what the gospel is and means to others.

hope this helps !!!
 

TomFL

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom !

The True Gospel of the Kingdom or the Gospel of God's Grace, for they are one and the same Acts 20:24-25

24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

It is the good news of the salvation of God's Chosen People, the Church Eph 1:3-13

3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,

6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:

10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:

11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

1 Thess 1:4

4 Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God. Rom 11:5-6

5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

2 Thess 2:13-14

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

He called those Chosen to Salvation by the Apostles Gospel !

The Gospel Highlights all the Gracious things Christ did to Save the People of God !
You have no gospel one can obey
 

brightfame52

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom ! 2

Preaching the Gospel is showing through scripture the Things that God did through Christ to save His People for His Glory ! For first of All God Loved them from Everlasting Jn 3:16

16 For God so loved the world[Those Believing], that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

The antiquity of this Love Jn 17:23-24

23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

Jer 31:3

3 The Lord hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love:[The Chosen Bride of Christ] therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.

Christ Loved His Chosen Bride Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

Jn 13:1

Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.

He Loved them and obeyed God's Law for them, He died for them Jn 15:13 Cp Isa 41:8

He redeems them Gal 3-4 ; He Sanctifies them Heb 10:10; Jn 17:19-20

19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.

20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

He perfected them Heb 10:14

He Reconciled them and Justified them Rom 5:9-10 and He will Glorify them Jn 17:22 !

These are Truths of Grace in the Gospel of the Kingdom !
 

brightfame52

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom ! 3

One of the features of the Gospel of the Kingdom, one of the articles of Good News is Christ's obedience for His Church, which Paul preaches on it here Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Good News is in the contrast which is the fact when adam sinned / disobeyed, he and all his posterity in him were made sinners, but here in lies the Good News of the Gospel, by the obedience [to God's Law] of One, Jesus Christ, and all Chosen in Him by Election of Grace are or shall be made Righteous, or it shall be said of them, they have perfectly obeyed God's Law. The word Righteous here is the greek word dikaios:


) righteous, observing divine laws

a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined

2) innocent, faultless, guiltless

3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a) only Christ truly

4) approved of or acceptable of God

b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

His Obedience is imputed to all them and it is as they themselves have obeyed all God's Commandments entitling them to Life as here Matt 19:16-17

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.320

So all whom Christ obeyed in behalf of will because of it inherit Eternal Life, Now thats Good News !
 

TomFL

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Preaching the True Gospel of the Kingdom ! 3

One of the features of the Gospel of the Kingdom, one of the articles of Good News is Christ's obedience for His Church, which Paul preaches on it here Rom 5:19

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

The Good News is in the contrast which is the fact when adam sinned / disobeyed, he and all his posterity in him were made sinners, but here in lies the Good News of the Gospel, by the obedience [to God's Law] of One, Jesus Christ, and all Chosen in Him by Election of Grace are or shall be made Righteous, or it shall be said of them, they have perfectly obeyed God's Law. The word Righteous here is the greek word dikaios:


) righteous, observing divine laws

a) in a wide sense, upright, righteous, virtuous, keeping the commands of God

1) of those who seem to themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves to be righteous, who pride themselves in their virtues, whether real or imagined

2) innocent, faultless, guiltless

3) used of him whose way of thinking, feeling, and acting is wholly conformed to the will of God, and who therefore needs no rectification in the heart or life

a) only Christ truly

4) approved of or acceptable of God

b) in a narrower sense, rendering to each his due and that in a judicial sense, passing just judgment on others, whether expressed in words or shown by the manner of dealing with them

His Obedience is imputed to all them and it is as they themselves have obeyed all God's Commandments entitling them to Life as here Matt 19:16-17

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.320

So all whom Christ obeyed in behalf of will because of it inherit Eternal Life, Now thats Good News !
What is the gospel ?

What does it concern ?
 

brightfame52

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Pertaining to preaching the Gospel !

Pertaining to preaching the Gospel as it relates to Salvation Good News, it was not to be for all without exception, and that has never been the case, in fact God designed the Gospel to be offensive to some people, but it was designed in the Eternal Purpose of God to be the Gospel and Good News to the poor. Jesus as He quoted the prophet Isaiah in Luke is very specific to whom He came to preach the Gospel to as it relates to Salvation Lk 4:18-22

18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,

19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.

20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.

21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son?

Jesus quotes Isa 61:1-3

The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the Lord, that he might be glorified.

Here the Preaching the Gospel is to the meek ! Ps 149:4

For the LORD taketh pleasure in his people: he will beautify the meek with salvation.

Now lets see if we can answer this question honestly, as to who it is that Jesus was anointed to preach the Good News of the Gospel to ?
 
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