Preaching the Gospel !

[brightfame52]

Men who do not yet exist are not in Christ

God determined the faithful in Christ would be holy and blameless before him in Love

It is when they believe that men are found in Christ not before

An unbeliever can certainly not be called faithful in Christ

post 55. Im going over a vital Gospel doctrine of the believers eternal union with Christ. This has to do with being Chosen in Christ before the foundation. This also brings unconditional election into view!

 

[TomFL]

post 55. Im going over a vital Gospel doctrine of the believers eternal union with Christ. This has to do with being Chosen in Christ before the foundation. This also brings unconditional election into view!

Forget your post

believe scripture

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

 

[brightfame52]

Forget your post

believe scripture

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

Im testifying to some very sacred truth about eternal union !

 

[TomFL]

Im testifying to some very sacred truth about eternal union !

Then get it right

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

men are in Christ after they believe

 

[brightfame52]

Then get it right

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

men are in Christ after they believe

Get what right ? Explain my points from post 55

 

[TomFL]

Get what right ? Explain my points from post 55

Forget your points

I deal with scripture

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

 

[brightfame52]

Forget your points

I deal with scripture

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

Im going to continue witnessing of the Gospel of Gods Grace, even though you seem to despise it. Remember the Elect had a Union with Christ and were One with Christ before the foundation.

 

[TomFL]

Im going to continue witnessing of the Gospel of Gods Grace, even though you seem to despise it. Remember the Elect had a Union with Christ and were One with Christ before the foundation.

What you are going to do is ignore scripture and post your theology

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

 

[Theo1689]

Men who do not yet exist are not in Christ

Thank you for stating the obvious and irrelevant.
Do you really think you're impressing anyone?

God determined the faithful in Christ would be holy and blameless before him in Love

It is when they believe that men are found in Christ not before

An unbeliever can certainly not be called faithful in Christ

Sorry, but your position simply isn't Biblical.

 

[TomFL]

Thank you for stating the obvious and irrelevant.
Do you really think you're impressing anyone?

And Do you think your no biblical content snark impresses anyone

Deal with what was stated

God determined the faithful in Christ would be holy and blameless before him in Love

It is when they believe that men are found in Christ not before

An unbeliever can certainly not be called faithful in Christ

If you want to prove that unbiblical you are going to have to actually address the passage

 

[ReverendRV]

Rom 1 :16

16For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

I am going to get straight to the point, and that is, there is simply no gospel being preached without preaching the doctrine of election [election of grace], and the fact that the Gospel begins in God [Rom 1:1] as the Gospel of God, As it proceeds from the Eternal Counsels of God as its root and foundation, for this evident from pauls writings here 2 Tim 1:8-11


8Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

10But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

11Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.

Also Titus 1:1-2


1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began; 3But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;

This Gospel of God elucidates How that God in Eternity Past, chooses a Special Beloved People, to Be His Portion, His Inheritance, to whom He prized and Valued above all others..

Deut 32:9

9 For the LORD's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.

Deut 7:6

6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Paul writes on the Saints being Gods Inheritance Eph 1:18

The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, [not the children of the devil]

God having chosen them and gave them to the Son of His Love for their personal safe keeping and preservation Jn 17:2

2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. [the disciples, save judas, represented all them given to Jesus Christ]

Now God the Father, decreeing to make manifest this Great Love, He has for His Son, and His chosen in Him and with Him, decree their awful fall in Adam, of which He covenanted with His Son for their recovery, and redemption, through His blood [ Eph 1:7]

And in line with this purpose, God also decreed for some of mankind to come into this world, also having a terrible fall in their Father the devil, but in order to Show His High Sovereignty in dispensing His salvation blessings, God purposed not to have mercy on that portion of mankind, Hence, distinctly making Manifest His Special Love for His chosen Inheritance..

Micah 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage [inheritance]? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

This must be preached in the Gospel of Christ, we cannot be ashamed of !

No, no, no; Unconditional Election is not a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ at all...

 

[TomFL]

No, no, no; Unconditional Election is not a part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ at all...

Well amen and amen
Let me say it again amen and amen

 

[Theo1689]

Well amen and amen
Let me say it again amen and amen

He simply said election isn't part of the gospel.
And it isn't.

But that doesn't mean it's not true, because it is.

"Gospel" does not mean "theology".

 

[TomFL]

He simply said election isn't part of the gospel.
And it isn't.

But that doesn't mean it's not true, because it is.

"Gospel" does not mean "theology".

glad you agree

One of yours peers thought election and reprobation were the gospel

 

[brightfame52]

Eternal Union a Gospel Truth cont

This eternal union of Jesus christ and His body is because of election, Federal Headship Representation [ As in Adam] and because of being His seed [generation].

The only way to do away with eternal union with Jesus Christ before the world began, is to deny or do away with The Preexistence of Jesus Christ before the world began. This however cannot be denied for scripture declares His Pre Existence as #1. The Mediator between God and Men 1 Tim 2:5

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;


Most certainly the All Knowing and Wise God would not purpose to create a world of men , and not have Men's Mediator already set up. If not but having a High regard for Gods wisdom and prudence as in Eph 1:8

8Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;

This consideration alone necessitates the need of the God Man Mediator, in preparation of the sin of Adam and the elect in Him..

When Adam sinned, the seed of the Women [ Jesus Christ] already existed in heaven..

Also as Mediator, this constituted Him the proper Medium of the Creation Eph 3:9

9And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by [medium] Jesus Christ:


Note: Jesus christ being the medium of salvation, in no means lessens His being the Creator of the World See Jn 1 3


Col 1:16-18


16For by him [The Mediator Jesus Christ] were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:


17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.


and hence this establishes, that Jesus Christ pre existed as God Man Mediator,[pre creation ] then that also establishes the Eternal Union of the elect in him..

For a Head could not have existed without a body

This is a Gospel Truth that only Gods True people will be able to receive to the rejoicing of their souls.

 

[TomFL]

and hence this establishes, that Jesus Christ pre existed as God Man Mediator,[pre creation ] then that also establishes the Eternal Union of the elect in him..

As long as you understand the elect consists of the faithful in Christ

and one is in Christ when they believe not before

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

So men are sealed in Christ after they believe

 

[brightfame52]

As long as you understand the elect consists of the faithful in Christ

and one is in Christ when they believe not before

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

So men are sealed in Christ after they believe

Do you understand that post ? Rehearse with me the point made

 

[TomFL]

Do you understand that post ? Rehearse with me the point made

Stop your running and deal with the point raised

As long as you understand the elect consists of the faithful in Christ

one is in Christ when they believe not before

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

So men are sealed in Christ after they believe

 

[brightfame52]

Stop your running and deal with the point raised

As long as you understand the elect consists of the faithful in Christ

one is in Christ when they believe not before

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

So men are sealed in Christ after they believe

I didnt think so. You are accountable for this information you know !

 

[TomFL]

I didnt think so. You are accountable for this information you know !

Then deal with the scripture

Stop your running and deal with the point raised

As long as you understand the elect consists of the faithful in Christ

one is in Christ when they believe not before

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

So men are sealed in Christ after they believe