Preaching the Gospel !

TomFL

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Preaching the record God has given of His Son

preaching the record God has given of His Son

1 Jn 5:10-11

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

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And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

The Gospel is a testimonial of The record that God has given us [ the election] of His Son, of which testimony, its declared that God has given to us eternal life, and that it was in His Son..

Only those whom God calls and equip with a understanding of the Gospel and of His Son, are qualified to bear witness of this Gospel record and what it entails.

The Gospel elucidates what it means when John writes, that this life was given us in His Son.

For when was the us in the Son ? Well, first of all, by election, we [ the elect] were in Him before the foundation of the World.

Eph 1:3-4

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

2 Tim 1:9

9 Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

Titus 1:1

1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

2In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised [to His Son and his Sons seed in Him] before the world began;

This is the record God has given to His Holy Apostles as here testified by them.

The Fact of a previous Union with Christ is the basis for all spiritual life that the elect experience in this life and that one to come..

In other words, A life must have been given us [ the elect] in Jesus Christ the Son of God, before the world began, before we partake of it Here below by the New Birth.

The exact is True of the elects physical life in Adam, that it existed in Adam before it was later manifested via physical birth of our parents.

Our being born into the natural world, did not make us the sons or daughters of Adam and eve, for eve was declared to be the Mother of the Living before her children were born. Gen 3:20

And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.

Now, who was actually living then, besides her head and husband ?

But they had a seed in them, in the head of course, and she even later testifies to it here Gen 4:25

And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me [Under Adam] another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.

Her seed must be Adams seed also, for He is Her Head.

So back to the point, the elect had a union with Adam, and were his children in Him, before they became manifested by natural birth.

so it can be truly said, that the record proves, that God had given us life [physical] and this Life was in His Son Adam. who could deny it, if it wasn't true, the elect could not have been brought forth physically and been manifested.

Now, and So likewise, our [ The elect] generation or birth Spiritually, is the Manifestation of that Life which was given us [ the elect] in Christ before the World began, and this is why later in our lifetime we are manifested as Gods children by new birth. for the new birth of every child of God is merely a manifestation of them having been in Jesus Christ [Gods Son] as His seed, just as our physical birth is merely a manifestation of having been Adam's natural seed.

Both manifestations required a previous Union with a Head .and this previous union with Jesus Christ is a gospel truth of the record that God gave of His Son to the Apostles, and in turned they preached or bare witness to the same.

John writes 1 Jn 5:11

11And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

This gives us to understand, that the Apostles believed and preached eternal life given based upon a previous union we [ the elect] had with the Son of God a life we had in Him, though not yet manifested.

And those who don't believe this record, this witness, has made God a Liar.

10He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 24
Men are in the son when they believe

Eph. 1:13 —ESV
“In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit,”

according to Paul

and

John 5:24 —ESV
“Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.”

John shows they pass from death to life when they believe
 

brightfame52

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tom

Men are in the son when they believe

Actually this statement confirms what Im saying, since men are in Christ before the foundation, they certainly are already in Christ when they believe. The error is to say men are put into Christ when they believe !
 

TomFL

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tom



Actually this statement confirms what Im saying, since men are in Christ before the foundation, they certainly are already in Christ when they believe. The error is to say men are put into Christ when they believe !
No they are not

Eph. 2:13 —KJV
“But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”
 

brightfame52

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1 Cor 10:17

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Paul here is speaking to those who are the called, the church of God, the sanctified in Christ Jesus , the chosen i.e 1 Cor 1:1-2

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours's:

Paul tells a Gospel Truth, A mystery in Fact, How that believers had been one body, though many members, yet one body..

Jesus Christ died for His body, those whom He was One with, He as their Head, they His body..

For from the beginning, the beginning of all things, Jesus Christ existed as the Head of His body per Col 1:17-18

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Note, Who is the beginning as the Head of the body, the church. That means that we [ the elect, the church] was with Him in the beginning. Our Life or the lives of His Members, His body, was with Him in the beginning.

Now get this, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.

1 Cor 11: 23, 24

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Talking about understanding the Union between Jesus Christ and His body..

If this doesn't prove particular redemption, then nothing does Jesus Christ death, the breaking of His body, was for His body..

Paul says in Eph 5 that the Lord is the Saviour of the body: vs 23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

He is the Saviour of the body, His body, the church, why ? Because She His Body, the Church, Sinned in adam her natural head.

And Paul is saying here, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of His Body, the church of which He is Head of. and Jesus Christ was not the head of the seed of the serpent eve Gen 3 15.

His body becoming sinful by her sin in Adam, He took it as His responsibility, for He was legally able to [being her Head], to suffer Her punishment, that she deserved, for breaking Gods Law.

Thats why Paul says that He is the Saviour of the body. When the body, the church sinned in Adam, she, though sinful and reprehensible, was not responsible for the legal guilt [condemnation] that she incurred, but the legal guilt [condemnation] was transferred [or imputed] to her Head, The Lord Jesus Christ. God viewed, not her, but Her head as the guilty party, though He did no sin [ personally].Because she sinned, His body, He, The Lord Christ her head, must die..

Lk 9:22

Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Why must he be slain, because His body, his wife, his members, sinned against His and their Father.

You see , even Gods Love for His own Son, and His body, could not set aside, or wink at the Justice due to His broken Law by them.though they [his members] did not have to die, He must Job says:

Job 33:24

Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

Zech 9 11

11As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners [your members] out of the pit wherein is no water.

This would be the blood of the everlasting covenant whereby Jesus was made a surety for His body, His wife, His church..

Again, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.. 1 Cor 12:27

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 1:22-23

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23Which is his body
, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

He gave himself for his church, the body Eph 5:30

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church [ his body], and gave himself for it [His body or church]; A 25
 

TomFL

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1 Cor 10:17

17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

Paul here is speaking to those who are the called, the church of God, the sanctified in Christ Jesus , the chosen i.e 1 Cor 1:1-2

1 Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours's:

Paul tells a Gospel Truth, A mystery in Fact, How that believers had been one body, though many members, yet one body..

Jesus Christ died for His body, those whom He was One with, He as their Head, they His body..

For from the beginning, the beginning of all things, Jesus Christ existed as the Head of His body per Col 1:17-18

17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Note, Who is the beginning as the Head of the body, the church. That means that we [ the elect, the church] was with Him in the beginning. Our Life or the lives of His Members, His body, was with Him in the beginning.

Now get this, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.

1 Cor 11: 23, 24

23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Talking about understanding the Union between Jesus Christ and His body..

If this doesn't prove particular redemption, then nothing does Jesus Christ death, the breaking of His body, was for His body..

Paul says in Eph 5 that the Lord is the Saviour of the body: vs 23

For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the Saviour of the body.

He is the Saviour of the body, His body, the church, why ? Because She His Body, the Church, Sinned in adam her natural head.

And Paul is saying here, that Jesus Christ is the Saviour of His Body, the church of which He is Head of. and Jesus Christ was not the head of the seed of the serpent eve Gen 3 15.

His body becoming sinful by her sin in Adam, He took it as His responsibility, for He was legally able to [being her Head], to suffer Her punishment, that she deserved, for breaking Gods Law.

Thats why Paul says that He is the Saviour of the body. When the body, the church sinned in Adam, she, though sinful and reprehensible, was not responsible for the legal guilt [condemnation] that she incurred, but the legal guilt [condemnation] was transferred [or imputed] to her Head, The Lord Jesus Christ. God viewed, not her, but Her head as the guilty party, though He did no sin [ personally].Because she sinned, His body, He, The Lord Christ her head, must die..

Lk 9:22

Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.

Why must he be slain, because His body, his wife, his members, sinned against His and their Father.

You see , even Gods Love for His own Son, and His body, could not set aside, or wink at the Justice due to His broken Law by them.though they [his members] did not have to die, He must Job says:

Job 33:24

Then he is gracious unto him, and saith, Deliver him from going down to the pit: I have found a ransom.

Zech 9 11

11As for thee also, by the blood of thy covenant I have sent forth thy prisoners [your members] out of the pit wherein is no water.

This would be the blood of the everlasting covenant whereby Jesus was made a surety for His body, His wife, His church..

Again, Jesus Christ body was broken for those who were His body.. 1 Cor 12:27

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 1:22-23

22And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,

23Which is his body
, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

He gave himself for his church, the body Eph 5:30

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

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Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church [ his body], and gave himself for it [His body or church]; A 25
You can only be one with Christ and in his body by faith

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
 

brightfame52

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You can only be one with Christ and in his body by faith

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
False. The Elect were One in Union with Christ before the foundation, and during His Public Ministry, and during His Death burial and Resurrection. When He was risen, the elect in Him rose together with Him Eph 2:5-6

5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

All the Chosen in Christ sit together with Christ in heavenly places. Even if they havent been born sinners yet !
 

TomFL

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False. The Elect were One in Union with Christ before the foundation, and during His Public Ministry, and during His Death burial and Resurrection. When He was risen, the elect in Him rose together with Him Eph 2:5-6

5 even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved) 6 and hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

All the Chosen in Christ sit together with Christ in heavenly places. Even if they havent been born sinners yet !
Sorry but the elect are those who are in Christ through faith

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

men are saved through faith not absent faith

Eph. 2:8 —KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
 

brightfame52

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Sorry but the elect are those who are in Christ through faith

Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”

men are saved through faith not absent faith

Eph. 2:8 —KJV
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
You ignored the scripture again. I explained it to you.
 

brightfame52

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Folk this is the Mystery Paul was given to Preach. Eph 5:31-32


31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

Jesus left His Father and was Joined to His wife, by becoming Flesh per Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus became one flesh with His wife, Joined Her here on earth.

His incarnation into flesh and blood was his joining her and becoming one flesh with her save the sin. He was in the likeness of sinful flesh. and did not become a sinner as they had became in the flesh .but nevertheless, though she had become sinful, He was not ashamed of Her still.

Heb 2:11

11For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

The Fall of the body of Christ in Adam, did not deter his great love for her .because nevertheless, they were one, all of one Father.

as the Mystery is unveiled we have Gen 2 :24

24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. cp Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children [body] are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Eph 5:30-32

30 For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church.

This is a great mystery, vs 30..that sinful men and women by nature, were members of his body, of his flesh, and his bones. That they were one flesh.

This is the Mystery of the Gospel which was revealed to him per Gal 1:11-12

11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

Paul said the Gospel which was preached of him, is not after man, but by Revelation of Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ revealed the Mystery of the gospel, and for whom it was that He died for..it was for His wife, his members, His body..

That was the Mystery revealed to Him, and he boldly preached it Eph 6:19

19 And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel,

Paul preached this mystery to the Corinthians, for He restates he received it 1 Cor 15:3-4

3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

he spoke of it as a mystery to them 1 Cor 2:7

7But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:

we know he viewed them as Jesus Christ wife or bride 2 Cor 11:2

2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

one husband, because He knew by Revelation, that Jesus Christ only laid down His Life for his body, whom He was one flesh with, His wife..thats a great mystery.

And if one is preaching any other gospel, universalism, unlimited atonement, freewill-ism , its not according to truth

if one is not preaching that Christ died for His church, His wife, His body, but adds to it, its because they are unenlightened

And, The devil and His children, have no part in this matter and salvation.
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TomFL

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Jesus left His Father and was Joined to His wife, by becoming Flesh per Heb 2:14

14Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

Jesus became one flesh with His wife, Joined Her here on earth.

What ?

Heb. 2:14 —KJV
“¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”

What flight of imagination is this ?
 

brightfame52

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What ?

Heb. 2:14 —KJV
“¶ Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;”

What flight of imagination is this ?
I explained my self. I'm not surprised that you can't receive it.
 

brightfame52

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The Gospel Promises, the blessings of the everlasting covenant, are only applied [ by the Holy Ghost] to the seed of the women [ which is Jesus Christ and His body] in distinction to the seed of the serpent..

Gen 3:15

15And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Lets look a two passages first, the Typical Christ in David:

Ps 89:1

3I have made a covenant with my chosen, I have sworn unto David my servant, cp with

3Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:

4According as he hath chosen us in him [ David or Jesus Christ] before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Remember David speaking of His house ? This to is typical of the Anti-type Jesus Christ..

2 Sam 23:5

Although my [David] house be not so with God; yet he hath made with me an everlasting covenant, ordered in all things, and sure: for this is all my salvation, and all my desire, although he make it not to grow.

Whats ordered in all things and sure ? All the promises..hence all the Gospel Promises centered in the everlasting covenant to Jesus Christ, the Anti-typical David, and to His seed in Him..You see Jesus and His members are one..he is their head, they his body..

That seed of the women Gen 3:15, is the same as the election of grace Rom 11:5

5Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

The seed of the women are those children of promise counted for the seed Rom 9:8

8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

And those under the purpose of election Rom 9:11

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(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth



This includes the elect seed of all time, of all nationalities..the seed of Abraham 26
 
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