Predestination

Sethproton

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If you convert him; he never was of us...
I don't want to convert him. He claims to be a believer in Christ. This chat has nothing to do with his faith in Christ as savior.
But if you simply refer to him talking sides on a doctrinal point, people do change sides on points as they learn, it does not mean they abandoned Christ
 

ReverendRV

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I don't want to convert him. He claims to be a believer in Christ. This chat has nothing to do with his faith in Christ as savior.
But if you simply refer to him talking sides on a doctrinal point, people do change sides on points as they learn, it does not mean they abandoned Christ
If he is not a follower of the Jesus of the Bible, he follows another Jesus; so your point is Moot...
 

Sethproton

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That's great, so do I!

But if you and I are right, then doesn't that mean Seth is the One who Worships Another Jesus?!
Interesting how you and other calvinists try to side track Biblical conversations by bringing in other issues with no doctrinal relevance to the discussion at hand. I believe that is called a red herring. When you don't feel you can adequately respond to arguments, you wave some other idea out there to distract the conversation
 

ReverendRV

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Interesting how you and other calvinists try to side track Biblical conversations by bringing in other issues with no doctrinal relevance to the discussion at hand. I believe that is called a red herring. When you don't feel you can adequately respond to arguments, you wave some other idea out there to distract the conversation
You were having a Biblical discussion??
 

Theo1689

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Interesting how you and other calvinists try to side track Biblical conversations by bringing in other issues with no doctrinal relevance to the discussion at hand. I believe that is called a red herring. When you don't feel you can adequately respond to arguments, you wave some other idea out there to distract the conversation

Interesting how when you can't address particular Scriptures, you try to side track Biblical conversations by personally attacking Calvinists. I believe that is called a red herring (as well as ad hominem).
 

ReverendRV

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been doing my best with Johnny. He presents himself as not knowing much and wanting help, so we all should do what we can to help and as he keeps asking me questions, it indicates he thinks he can learn something from me.
Fair enough, I'll leave y'all alone. If you convert him, he never was of us...
 

Sethproton

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I might not know as much as many here on the forum but I do know a few things such as Jesus is not was our mediator and that Jesus is still a human being. I learned that when I first believed or shortly after.
We are all learning. Sometimes we are taught wrong and as we study we realize it. So did you get to the post you asked me to write to you about the grammar in Heb 8:6?
 

Sethproton

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Posted a question about 1 Tim. 2:5 in the language forum:

Why did you ask about a past tense? Neither I nor anyone is claiming it should be understood as past tense.
But I am interested to see the discussion, thanks for the heads up
 

Sethproton

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Posted a question about 1 Tim. 2:5 in the language forum:

Thanks again. I went over and asked him further questions, hopefully he answers
 

Sethproton

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You claimed it was past in 1 Tim 2:5. Are you now denying you said that ?
Of course I deny that, I never said the passage could be translated as past tense. Never. You are confused
If you think I am mistaken, then tell which post I said it could be translated as past tense
To the contrary I have stated about 5 times in this chat that it appears to me the present tense translations are correct
 
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brightfame52

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What is predestination ?

It is God’s predetermining all reasonable beings, whether angels or men, to an everlasting domain either of salvation or damnation. 1 Thess 5:9

9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

So predestination is comprised of two aspects:

Election, which is God’s sovereign choosing some men to salvation through Christ. “And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory.” {Rom 9:23} “Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will.” {Eph1:5}

Reprobation, which is God’s sovereign choosing some, both men and Angels, to destruction. There are some vessels “to dishonor.” {2 Tim 2:20} “To shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction.” {Rom 9:22}
 

Chalcedon

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We are all learning. Sometimes we are taught wrong and as we study we realize it. So did you get to the post you asked me to write to you about the grammar in Heb 8:6?
Maybe you could break down Hebrews 8:6 and show us why He is nor our mediator now by exegeting that passage.
 
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