Y'all are in a car, and both of you are grabbing the steering wheel while going down the road; which one of you are in the Driver's seat?
Apparently, it is him; and you keep on trying to drive the car into the ditch!
That's what people do when they can't defend their beliefs. They take complete control so that they can avoid talking about anything they can't address. That's why he keeps "steering away" from Heb. 8:6.