Predestination

Sethproton

Well-known member
I disagree that more than one Jesus is being Worshipped in the Church, because his Sheep know him. The Bible teaches Jesus is the son of Mary now, the same person forever...

I think I do have another Jesus, right?
Make up your mind, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Either any different thought about who and what Jesus is means a person has a different Jesus, or some other position on that must be taken.
You want it both ways. Which means you have no position
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Civic you should stop claiming things about scripture that are not there.

Seth you should learn that telling people what to do is against CARM rules.

I am not sure what the result will be for you if you continue in this, but i assume it will put a wedge between you and God.

Um, you should be more concerned about YOUR relationship with God.

I call all of you who read this to take the 60 seconds needed to Read 1 Cor 15:1-18 and see for yourself, paul makes no mention at all in those verses that Jesus is still a human,

So your New Testament is only 18 verses long?
No wonder your theology is so messed up.

Seriously, check this passage out and remember in the future this is what this poster does,

Personal attacks again?
Why is it okay for you to attack other posters, but it's not okay for others to make comments about you?
Why the double standard?
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
Make up your mind, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. Either any different thought about who and what Jesus is means a person has a different Jesus, or some other position on that must be taken.
You want it both ways. Which means you have no position
No, just one way will do. My Jesus is still the same Man he was born as...

I still think I have another Jesus compared to the Bible, don't you agree?
 

Chalcedon

Well-known member
Make up your mind, you are speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
No that would be yourself.

In one breath you say there is a present tense verb and in the next breath deny Jesus is presently our Mediator in Hebrews 8:6. Talk about a contradiction and oxymoron.
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
Seth you should learn that telling people what to do is against CARM rules.



Um, you should be more concerned about YOUR relationship with God.



So your New Testament is only 18 verses long?
No wonder your theology is so messed up.



Personal attacks again?
Why is it okay for you to attack other posters, but it's not okay for others to make comments about you?
Why the double standard?
ok
 

Theo1689

Well-known member

You still haven't explained to me why it's okay for you to make personal insults against other posters, but it's not okay for posters to talk about you.

And since you still haven't identified any "personal putdowns" that Beloved Daughter allegedly made against you, I'm still confused as to why you refuse to apologize to her for your false accusations.
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
No that would be yourself.

In one breath you say there is a present tense verb and in the next breath deny Jesus is presently our Mediator in Hebrews 8:6. Talk about a contradiction and oxymoron.
Are you aware of the difference in the use of "to be" verbs and the way they are used in English.
Sometimes they state a condition
Sometimes they state an equality
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
You still haven't explained to me why it's okay for you to make personal insults against other posters, but it's not okay for posters to talk about you.

And since you still haven't identified any "personal putdowns" that Beloved Daughter allegedly made against you, I'm still confused as to why you refuse to apologize to her for your false accusations.
ok
 

Theo1689

Well-known member

You still haven't explained to me why it's okay for you to make personal insults against other posters, but it's not okay for posters to talk about you.

And since you still haven't identified any "personal putdowns" that Beloved Daughter allegedly made against you, I'm still confused as to why you refuse to apologize to her for your false accusations.
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
You still haven't explained to me why it's okay for you to make personal insults against other posters, but it's not okay for posters to talk about you.

And since you still haven't identified any "personal putdowns" that Beloved Daughter allegedly made against you, I'm still confused as to why you refuse to apologize to her for your false accusations.
ok
 

Theo1689

Well-known member

You still haven't explained to me why it's okay for you to make personal insults against other posters, but it's not okay for posters to talk about you.

And since you still haven't identified any "personal putdowns" that Beloved Daughter allegedly made against you, I'm still confused as to why you refuse to apologize to her for your false accusations.
 

Chalcedon

Well-known member
What does the present tense verb mean ?
He will not answer you it means the following.

The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative. That means He is still now( in the present) our Mediator, not was as in past tense our mediator as he believes.

Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.

God is Love- According to seths logic God is no longer love since the present tense verb is doesn't mean God is still love. His being love is over just like Jesus as mediator is over.
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
He will not answer you it means the following.

The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative. That means He is still now( in the present) our Mediator, not was as in past tense our mediator as he believes.

Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.
God bless @Sethproton ...
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
Yes I’m wondering how a person can read and study that passage and come up with the opposite conclusion .

You are fast becoming a real joy. I'm upfront about being a Calvinist, but if you decide the Bible teaches a different point of view, you will be just as saved.

I've been on both sides. There are others here who have also been in both camps.

This is one of the most important things.

Hebrews 12:1-2

New American Standard Bible 1995

12 Therefore, since we have so great a cloud of witnesses surrounding us, let us also lay aside every encumbrance and the sin which so easily entangles us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 fixing our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of faith, who for the joy set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

It's always about Jesus.
 

Beloved Daughter

Super Member
He will not answer you it means the following.

The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative. That means He is still now( in the present) our Mediator, not was as in past tense our mediator as he believes.

Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.

God is Love- According to seths logic God is no longer love since the present tense verb is doesn't mean God is still love. His being love is over just like Jesus as mediator is over.

Another, cogent, concise and completely biblical response.

Thanks civic, for taking the time and care to properly exegete scripture.
 

Sethproton

Well-known member
I believe you, Johnny.

It honestly looks like he's just phoning it in at this point. I've literally never heard anyone in my whole life say Jesus is not a mediator anymore.

I have no bad feelings for the guy, but anyone who completely ignores the people putting the most actual work into a discussion, it's very hard to believe they are really after honest dialogue.

He keeps spamming a point that sometime he heard that in some lexicon somewhere that mediators are only one-time court appointees, then never makes the slightest effort to back it up with any references, but expects this point to just be absolutely overwhelmingly convincing to us and we are somehow fighting truth itself.

Whereas someone actually lists a lot of instances the actual Greek word was actually used, and it's completely ignored and we are told we are making up ideas out of thin air.some place in the New testament where the Greek word is used and it does not mean

Does that seem honest to... anyone?!
When you look up a word in a lexicon and you get the meaning, what more can you do than that as far as the definition? It is what it is. I did not make it up. It is available for anyone to read. But when posters do not want to accept what an authoritative lexicon says, you end up repeating yourself. So no, it was not that sometime i heard in some lexicon somewhere... That is the kind of rude comments I get all the time. I read it in a respected lexicon. Period.
You are writing as if you know some place in the New testament where the word is used and it refers to something other than a court mediator as a symbolic reference. What scripture are you referring to? There are exactly 6 times the word is used in the New Testament. which of those are you suggesting are referencing something other than a court mediator as a symbol of what Christ did?

And as far as not being a mediator anymore? Why would we want that? A mediator helps two people (humans and God) come to an agreement about a covenant between them. Would you like to renegotiate the New Covenant? Or are you doing as others have done and confusing mediator with other of Christ's offices, like intercessor and high priest. Each office is unique and has a purpose. Are you wanting to do as others do and blend them all together?
 
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