Right. You get jabbed so you avoid getting sick, and avoid transmitting disease to the vulneable. So far, the bulk of the evince is that it actually works.I've seen some evidence that suggests it may be more than just mildly symptomatic as well. Regardless, no one with any critical thinking skills would want to get jabbed so they can get sick. That just doesn't make any sense at all.
I think they are claiming that the injection works at preventing clinical disease.I think the greater point is in noting that none of these companies are claiming that these gene therapies can provide anyone with immunity.
You measure immunogenicity by looking at antibody titres and T cell responsiveness before and after the injection.I don't see how they can measure it when they're giving it to the general population.
Threy have finished a whole pack of clinical trials. I agree though that more data is always better.Same goes for the efficacy numbers we've been seeing lately claiming "95% eficacy", and PCR tests being used to diagnose people with Covid 19. Perhaps when they've been able to finish clinical trials, and analyze the data, we'll be able to see what's really happening.
What they ARE claiming is that it reduces clinical disease. And it does seem to.The important thing to note is that they are not claiming anyone will be immunized by their gene therapies.
You could say that of any drug. Excess mortality tracks to about 1.3 x reported Covid-19 related mortality prior to the jabs being available, and has dropped like a stone in highly inocculated areas, so it is pretty clear that Covid-19 is doing something, and so is the jab. Exvcess mortality is a number that is very very hard to fake or manipulate.The more important point is in noting that when it is killing people right after they are injected, it's time to stop injecting people.
Why not?When they claim that you need to get tested to find out if you have the virus, it's not wo
Everything is relative. I assure you, Covid-19 is much MORE lethal than many viruses. And like I say, excess mortality tracks clinical infection rate.I think to claim it is mildly pathogenic is an exaggeration. There seem to be more than a few strains, some are more contagious than others. From what I've read the Wuhan strain was quite lethal, yet not all that contagious at all.
Here's what Pfizer claims in their documents submitted to the FDA for approval:
“A PHASE 1/2/3, PLACEBO-CONTROLLED, RANDOMIZED, OBSERVER-BLIND, DOSE-FINDING STUDY TO EVALUATE THE SAFETY, TOLERABILITY, IMMUNOGENICITY, AND EFFICACY OF SARS-COV-2RNA VACCINE CANDIDATES AGAINST COVID-19 IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS.”
No, hold it. Those are mandatory reporting guidelines to assess POTENTIAL dangers. These always err on the side of caution. They do not imply anything that you are saying. Seriously, this is plain silly. The Pfizer and moderna vaccines are not self spreading: that's an entirely different technology, and frankly, if you don't see the difference between a stabilised mRNA vaccine that does not permanently alter the genetic makeup of the recipient and one that does, I'm not sure I can help you farther. I'd suggest you read a basic text on cell and molecular biology and get back to me. You are making some pretty wild claims, which is perhaps understandable, given that many people are, on all sides of this issue.On page 67, we find a warning about potential adverse effects of the vaccine. The term “study intervention” is used instead of the more common "vaccination". “Environmental exposure” means contact with elements of the vaccine other than by injection.
Warning of adverse effect: “A female is found to be pregnant while being exposed or having been exposed to study intervention due to environmental exposure. Below are examples of environmental exposure during pregnancy:”
“A female family member or healthcare provider reports that she is pregnant after having been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact.”
“A male family member or healthcare provider who has been exposed to the study intervention by inhalation or skin contact then exposes his female partner prior to or around the time of conception.”
These warnings, from the vaccine manufacturer, Pfizer imply that women can be harmed by breathing in, or contacting by skin, the vaccine as it moves from person to person.
WRT mortality, EXCESS mortality rose, and tracks Covid 19related mortality. Excess mortality is based on numbers of dead people in a week THIS year, as opposed to the numbers of dead people, on average, for the same calendar week of the last 5-10 years. Since mortality figures are public, it is really hard to fake that data. It is true (in my opinion) that Covod related mortality has been over counted, but the fact that most people died had co-morbidities could also be said of breast cancer, prostate cancer and pneumococcal pneumonia. People often die of multiple things, but Covid-19 has been a major contributor to excess mortality. It is really really obvious, and if you doubt it, talk to an ICU nurse or any inpatient physician. I see this stuff with my own eyes. It's real.
Anyway, nuff said. Not gonna beat this horse.