Pro-choice

puddleglum

Active member
I am pro-life. I believe that life is a gift given to each person and only God has the right to take that life from him. A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit his right to life; if that happens it is permissible for the government to take that life from him. Except in cases like that no human has the right to take the life of another human.

I am pro-choice. I believe God has given all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys an innocent life and prevents it from ever making any choices. Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am pro-choice because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Advocates of abortion have stolen the “pro-choice” label and use it to indicate that someone is in favor of allowing abortion. They say that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies by killing their unborn child. They deny that the child has any rights.

This isn’t the first time Satan has tried to suppress the truth be having his followers apply to themselves a name or label that rightfully belongs to those who support the truth. There are false religions that call themselves by names that actually belong to Christians.

 

Temujin

Well-known member
I am pro-life. I believe that life is a gift given to each person and only God has the right to take that life from him. A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit his right to life; if that happens it is permissible for the government to take that life from him. Except in cases like that no human has the right to take the life of another human.

I am pro-choice. I believe God has given all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys an innocent life and prevents it from ever making any choices. Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am pro-choice because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Advocates of abortion have stolen the “pro-choice” label and use it to indicate that someone is in favor of allowing abortion. They say that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies by killing their unborn child. They deny that the child has any rights.

This isn’t the first time Satan has tried to suppress the truth be having his followers apply to themselves a name or label that rightfully belongs to those who support the truth. There are false religions that call themselves by names that actually belong to Christians.


I am pro-life. I believe that life belongs to each person and no-one has the right to take that life from them . A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit their right to liberty but not life. It is never permissible for the government to take that life from him, except as an immediate response to a threat to the life of others. Exceptional circumstances occasionally mean that a human has the right to take the life of another human. Self defence is an example.

I am pro-choice. I believe we all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys a life and prevents it from ever making any choices. It is however, occasionally an appropriate remedy for what otherwise would be worse consequences, which include the convenience and well-being of the mother, who unlike the unborn is actually a person.
Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am anti-abortion because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Opponents of abortion rights have stolen the “anti-abortion” label and use it to indicate that someone who is in favor of allowing abortion is also in favour of abortions taking place. They say that those who agree that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies just want to kill the unborn child. They deny that the woman has any rights.

Christians have every right to follow their conscience on abortion rights. Indeed many do so by having abortions. No one has the right to insist that other people follow the same conscience as well. Everybody has their own moral choice to make, and as long as that choice is legal, they have every right to make it unhindered.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
I am pro-life. I believe that life is a gift given to each person and only God has the right to take that life from him. A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit his right to life; if that happens it is permissible for the government to take that life from him. Except in cases like that no human has the right to take the life of another human.

I am pro-choice. I believe God has given all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys an innocent life and prevents it from ever making any choices. Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am pro-choice because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Advocates of abortion have stolen the “pro-choice” label and use it to indicate that someone is in favor of allowing abortion. They say that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies by killing their unborn child. They deny that the child has any rights.

This isn’t the first time Satan has tried to suppress the truth be having his followers apply to themselves a name or label that rightfully belongs to those who support the truth. There are false religions that call themselves by names that actually belong to Christians.

Word games.

They can't call an unborn baby a human baby. Clashes with their mantras.

Early on Planned parenthood (another textbook case of false labeling) was American Birth Control League which promoted eugenics.
 

BMS

Well-known member
I am pro-life. I believe that life belongs to each person and no-one has the right to take that life from them . A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit their right to liberty but not life. It is never permissible for the government to take that life from him, except as an immediate response to a threat to the life of others. Exceptional circumstances occasionally mean that a human has the right to take the life of another human. Self defence is an example.

I am pro-choice. I believe we all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys a life and prevents it from ever making any choices. It is however, occasionally an appropriate remedy for what otherwise would be worse consequences, which include the convenience and well-being of the mother, who unlike the unborn is actually a person.
Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am anti-abortion because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Opponents of abortion rights have stolen the “anti-abortion” label and use it to indicate that someone who is in favor of allowing abortion is also in favour of abortions taking place. They say that those who agree that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies just want to kill the unborn child. They deny that the woman has any rights.

Christians have every right to follow their conscience on abortion rights. Indeed many do so by having abortions. No one has the right to insist that other people follow the same conscience as well. Everybody has their own moral choice to make, and as long as that choice is legal, they have every right to make it unhindered.
So you arent pro-choice or anti-abortion then, just where you set your own particular prejudices..
Not least where you said the convenience of the mother.
 

puddleglum

Active member
Christians have every right to follow their conscience on abortion rights.

Christians have no right to disobey God, regardless of what our consciences say. We must study the Bible so that our consciences will agree will what God says.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
I am pro-life. I believe that life belongs to each person and no-one has the right to take that life from them . A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit their right to liberty but not life. It is never permissible for the government to take that life from him, except as an immediate response to a threat to the life of others. Exceptional circumstances occasionally mean that a human has the right to take the life of another human. Self defence is an example.

I am pro-choice. I believe we all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys a life and prevents it from ever making any choices. It is however, occasionally an appropriate remedy for what otherwise would be worse consequences, which include the convenience and well-being of the mother, who unlike the unborn is actually a person.
Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am anti-abortion because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Opponents of abortion rights have stolen the “anti-abortion” label and use it to indicate that someone who is in favor of allowing abortion is also in favour of abortions taking place. They say that those who agree that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies just want to kill the unborn child. They deny that the woman has any rights.

Christians have every right to follow their conscience on abortion rights. Indeed many do so by having abortions. No one has the right to insist that other people follow the same conscience as well. Everybody has their own moral choice to make, and as long as that choice is legal, they have every right to make it unhindered.
You were doing fantastic until you got to "convenience and we'll bring of the mother".
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
I am pro-life. I believe that life belongs to each person and no-one has the right to take that life from them . A person who commits serious crimes such a murder may forfeit their right to liberty but not life. It is never permissible for the government to take that life from him, except as an immediate response to a threat to the life of others. Exceptional circumstances occasionally mean that a human has the right to take the life of another human. Self defence is an example.

I am pro-choice. I believe we all of us the power to make choices. Sometimes we may make wrong choices that have tragic consequences but we are free to make those choices.

Because I am pro-life and pro-choice I am anti-abortion. Abortion destroys a life and prevents it from ever making any choices. It is however, occasionally an appropriate remedy for what otherwise would be worse consequences, which include the convenience and well-being of the mother, who unlike the unborn is actually a person.
Unfortunately I can’t tell anyone I am anti-abortion because that would give them a false idea of what I believe. Opponents of abortion rights have stolen the “anti-abortion” label and use it to indicate that someone who is in favor of allowing abortion is also in favour of abortions taking place. They say that those who agree that pregnant women have the right to choose to end their pregnancies just want to kill the unborn child. They deny that the woman has any rights.

Christians have every right to follow their conscience on abortion rights. Indeed many do so by having abortions. No one has the right to insist that other people follow the same conscience as well. Everybody has their own moral choice to make, and as long as that choice is legal, they have every right to make it unhindered.
It was once legal to keep slaves and you were unhindered in deciding that you would like to have a few. How wonderful that people had the unhindered freedom to make such a moral and legal choice huh?
 

Temujin

Well-known member
It was once legal to keep slaves and you were unhindered in deciding that you would like to have a few. How wonderful that people had the unhindered freedom to make such a moral and legal choice huh?
It was once legal for Christians to slaughter those who disagree with them. Most Christians now live in the present day. I would recommend that you join us there. No slavery and legal abortion.
 

BMS

Well-known member
You won't find abortion mentioned there.
But our faith is based on what Jesus said, unlike your belief based on what He didnt specifically say. The Biblical account makes no provision for your judgemntal criteria on the human being, you.wont find your denial of reality in the Biblical testimony.
Just becaue you disassociate the early stages of human life from the human being, doesnt mean its true, its not.
 

BMS

Well-known member
It was once legal for Christians to slaughter those who disagree with them. Most Christians now live in the present day. I would recommend that you join us there. No slavery and legal abortion.
It was never legal for Christians to slaughter anyone, that was human laws by some who called themsleves Christians.Christ Jesus taught his followers not to do that. But you are for the law so presumably ou would not have objected to it anyway.

And you only believe life belongs to each person where YOU have judged them a person. So arguably you dont
 

Temujin

Well-known member
But our faith is based on what Jesus said, unlike your belief based on what He didnt specifically say. The Biblical account makes no provision for your judgemntal criteria on the human being, you.wont find your denial of reality in the Biblical testimony.
Just becaue you disassociate the early stages of human life from the human being, doesnt mean its true, its not.
Once again you are "mistaken" regarding my beliefs. Jesus, if he existed at all, has no relevance to me and certainly doesn't influence how I view moral issues. Biblical testimony is similarly irrelevant. I have no interest or opinion on biblical views. I merely note that Christians themselves are unable to agree on it.

What you believe Jesus said about anything, including abortion, doesn't make it true. Or relevant. Or important.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
It was once legal for Christians to slaughter those who disagree with them. Most Christians now live in the present day. I would recommend that you join us there. No slavery and legal abortion.
Lol I love how you just ignore stuff you can't address. Making abortion legal doesn't mean it's not a moral evil. I'm also can't get Stevie wonder to see what color shirt I'm wearing so there's that.
 

BMS

Well-known member
Once again you are "mistaken" regarding my beliefs. Jesus, if he existed at all, has no relevance to me and certainly doesn't influence how I view moral issues. Biblical testimony is similarly irrelevant. I have no interest or opinion on biblical views. I merely note that Christians themselves are unable to agree on it.

What you believe Jesus said about anything, including abortion, doesn't make it true. Or relevant. Or important.
Not mistaken on the evidence of what you posted. You will need to address what other posters are criticising your posts about
 

Temujin

Well-known member
Lol I love how you just ignore stuff you can't address. Making abortion legal doesn't mean it's not a moral evil. I'm also can't get Stevie wonder to see what color shirt I'm wearing so there's that.
Making abortion illegal doesn't make it a moral evil either. As I have said, I am not in favour of abortion, but I am in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion. Removing the right to such a choice would be a moral evil. In my opinion. Thinking that one's personal view of morality is objective fact, as you do, is just arrogance.
 

Yakuda

Well-known member
Making abortion illegal doesn't make it a moral evil either. As I have said, I am not in favour of abortion, but I am in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion. Removing the right to such a choice would be a moral evil. In my opinion. Thinking that one's personal view of morality is objective fact, as you do, is just arrogance.
Abortion is a moral evil period. You have an odd sense of moral evil if you think people shouldn't be responsible for their decisions. But your personal view of morality is objective fact? That's asinine.
 

BMS

Well-known member
Making abortion illegal doesn't make it a moral evil either. As I have said, I am not in favour of abortion, but I am in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion. Removing the right to such a choice would be a moral evil. In my opinion. Thinking that one's personal view of morality is objective fact, as you do, is just arrogance.
If you are in favour of a woman being alllowed to kill her offspring then you ARE in favour of abortion. Preventing that moral evil will be a great act of love
 

Whateverman

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One of the ten commandments is "Do not murder." That covers abortion.
Nope. Murder is a legal definition (ie. an illegal killing), and since abortion is legal, it is not murder.

ps. whether the ten commandments say "kill" or "murder" is very much open to debate...
 
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