Pro-choice

[Temujin]

So, you acknowledge that no one has the right to take the life of a child in the womb...

...but then, you say this:

This is why nobody takes you seriously.

The unborn in the womb is not a person. I don't care who takes me seriously. I'm not advocating change in the law.

 

[Mike McK]

Making abortion illegal doesn't make it a moral evil either. As I have said, I am not in favour of abortion, but I am in favour of a woman's right to choose abortion. Removing the right to such a choice would be a moral evil. In my opinion. Thinking that one's personal view of morality is objective fact, as you do, is just arrogance.

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

Nobody has the right to kill a child.

Yes, morality is objective.

Third, if your morality is subjective, then there's no reason to take you seriously.

If your morality is subjective, then you can't say the socialists who killed 6,000,000 Jews were wrong.

 

[Whateverman]

Nobody has the right to kill a child.

Since abortion is legal, you're wrong.

 

[Mike McK]

Since abortion is legal, you're wrong.

Then you don't know what rights are. Rights are something that is inherent in man. Natural law. A right is not given by the government, nor can it be legislated. That's why our Founders were so clear that our rights come from God and are unalienable.

 

[BMS]

The unborn in the womb is not a person. I don't care who takes me seriously. I'm not advocating change in the law.

Doesnt work. If everyone has a moral choice then they can have the unborn human as a person.

 

[BMS]

Since abortion is legal, you're wrong.

In your opinion .. but not in other people's opinions, which in addition have been explained

 

[Temujin]

Then you don't know what rights are. Rights are something that is inherent in man. Natural law. A right is not given by the government, nor can it be legislated. That's why our Founders were so clear that our rights come from God and are unalienable.

Rubbish. Rights are something that have had to be fought for throughout history. There is no evidence whatsoever that rights are either natural or come from God. Human beings have wrestled rights from other human beings in a struggle that will probably never end.

 

[Temujin]

In your opinion .. but not in other people's opinions, which in addition have been explained

This is an opinion board. That's what you will find here.

 

[Temujin]

Doesnt work. If everyone has a moral choice then they can have the unborn human as a person.

Sure they can. If you are one such person, don't have an abortion. Morals aren't controlled by society. Behaviour is. Your morals don't control my behaviour or vice versa. The law decides whether abortion is allowed whatever your or my opinion might be.

 

[BMS]

Rubbish. Rights are something that have had to be fought for throughout history. There is no evidence whatsoever that rights are either natural or come from God. Human beings have wrestled rights from other human beings in a struggle that will probably never end.

Thats why in secular terms we are fighhting for the rights of the unborn human against people who deny their rights, and rights for women who rights get denied by transactivists. .. even though they are God's purposes, you can treat them as secular

 

[Temujin]

This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

You should listen to yourself.

Nobody has the right to kill a child.

If you insist on defining the foetus as s child, then yes, virtually every person on Ty he planet has this right, within proscribed circumstances.

Yes, morality is objective.

Prove it. Good luck.

Third, if your morality is subjective, then there's no reason to take you seriously.

Why not. If morality is subjective, which it is, then my morality is as important as yours. In other words, I have no reason to take you seriously. Particularly as you are on the wrong side of the legal argument.

If your morality is subjective, then you can't say the socialists who killed 6,000,000 Jews were wrong.

Firstly, you are presumably referring to the Nazis, who were right wing fascists. Secondly, subjective morality doesn't mean no morality. I think they were wrong. Anyone who isn't a right wing fascist thinks they were wrong. More importantly, international law determined that they were wrong, and they were hanged.

 

[Temujin]

Thats why in secular terms we are fighhting for the rights of the unborn human against people who deny their rights, and rights for women who rights get denied by transactivists. .. even though they are God's purposes, you can treat them as secular

As you are fully entitled to do. You won't win your struggle because most people think you are wrong.

 

[BMS]

Sure they can. If you are one such person, don't have an abortion. Morals aren't controlled by society. Behaviour is. Your morals don't control my behaviour or vice versa. The law decides whether abortion is allowed whatever your or my opinion might be.

Ok so if they can,you cant insist on your moral.view

 

[BMS]

You should listen to yourself.

If you insist on defining the foetus as s child, then yes, virtually every person on Ty he planet has this right, within proscribed circumstances.

Prove it. Good luck.

Why not. If morality is subjective, which it is, then my morality is as important as yours. In other words, I have no reason to take you seriously. Particularly as you are on the wrong side of the legal argument.


Firstly, you are presumably referring to the Nazis, who were right wing fascists. Secondly, subjective morality doesn't mean no morality. I think they were wrong. Anyone who isn't a right wing fascist thinks they were wrong. More importantly, international law determined that they were wrong, and they were hanged.

The human being at foetal stage is the same human being at adult stage, so its irrelevant whether its called a foetus or an adult. Your argument is about your decision to dehumanize the human being on your moral criteria. And remember we are fighting for the rights of the unborn human in the face of this

 

[BMS]

As you are fully entitled to do. You won't win your struggle because most people think you are wrong.

I know I am fully entitled to. We will change the minds of the majority

 

[BMS]

You should listen to yourself.

If you insist on defining the foetus as s child, then yes, virtually every person on Ty he planet has this right, within proscribed circumstances.

Prove it. Good luck.

Why not. If morality is subjective, which it is, then my morality is as important as yours. In other words, I have no reason to take you seriously. Particularly as you are on the wrong side of the legal argument.


Firstly, you are presumably referring to the Nazis, who were right wing fascists. Secondly, subjective morality doesn't mean no morality. I think they were wrong. Anyone who isn't a right wing fascist thinks they were wrong. More importantly, international law determined that they were wrong, and they were hanged.

Being right wing fascists doesnt change the moral choice you just gave everyone.

 

[Temujin]

Ok so if they can,you cant insist on your moral.view

I don't. I am no more in a position to insist than you are.

 

[BMS]

I don't. I am no more in a position to insist than you are.

You did, your suggested the unborn human wasnt a person

 

[Temujin]

Being right wing fascists doesnt change the moral choice you just gave everyone.

I did not say that it did. I said that only right wing fascists would think that Nazis were right. Are you suggesting that people should not have the choice to make up their own mind?

 

[Temujin]

You did, your suggested the unborn human wasnt a person

It isn't, but not because I say so. It's because the law says so.