Exactly. Just as everyone's subjective views on abortion are neither true nor false. They are either persuasive or not persuasive. Persuasive subjective views may become objective legal statute, which is essentially what we are all arguing over. The abortion debate is a morass of subjective moral views. All sincerely and passionately held. Wittering on about the Nazis gets us nowhere.
The "culture of death", whatever that is, clearly clouds your judgement, as nothing in my post mentioned death at all. It is simply pointing out that saying. "The Nazis did this therefore it is evil." is a rubbish argument. I leave you to your morbid thoughts.
I have heard of the Third Reich. You will need to fill me in on the other reference, though the word "bop" is not encouraging.
Your 'objective umpire' was suspiciously silent and absent during WW2 when the Nazis were actually acting on those opinions. Not much of an umpire then.
Only to those who believe in Him. What actually counts are the ideas of those who make the laws governing our actions. If you want to live by God's laws, that's fine, as long as you don't break secular laws while doing so.
And yet not all Christians agree with you. There are Christians (admittedly few on this forum) who support abortion rights because refusing them is so demeaning to women. They too can quote scripture and say "Therefore God...". You speak for yourself and your opinions. Your attempt to outsource your opinions to a supernatural deity fails without :
Words written by men with an agenda. Men who controlled what God is alleged to want. And I use the word" men" advisedly.
And yet still sincere Christians disagree with you. Personally, I have no interest in what the word of God"really" means, since I don't believe that the Bible is anything more than stories about an invented God.
The existence of the natural world is not proof of a creator at all, of any stamp; let alone the niche creator that you postulate. Intelligence is not necessary for any aspect of the natural world. Neither does "Intelligence" equal the Christian God.
Not so. If the law allows 14 weeks limit for sentience in one country and 24 weeks limit for survivability in another, the laws are subjective.
No its not rubbish, it has been demonstrated by me and others are now telling you the same.
Not according to them, and I believe them and I most certainly dont believe you. So what are the secular laws you keep on about if not written by men with an agenda?? Come on, have you no idea the rubbish you are proposing?
And they disagree with the Biblical testimony of Christ, the only testimony of Christ we have from the contemporary community and eye witnesses. Who judged them sincere, you? As I continue to point out to you, look to the evidence, and to people who dont agree with the evidence.
But unlike you, personally, I have a good deal of interest in the reality of the unborn human being and the killing of it by pro-choice for selfish made up human reasons.
Do you think that the existence of a particular law in a particular place is a matter of opinion or a matter of objective fact? This is not altered by different laws in different counties being an objective fact.
Subjective notions of what makes a good breakfast were very popular in Nazi Germany, therefore all subjective opinions as to what makes a good breakfast should be banned as evil. Unless they agree with my personal subjective view, which I will pretend is objective by claiming that a few random Bible verses (none of which mention breakfast) prove that my subjective view is actually the objective view of God.
yes the subject is abortion and its relevant because if one is to let the mother choose for her offspring then let her do so consistently.
So not so. If the law allows 14 weeks limit for sentience in one country and 24 weeks limit for survivability in another, the laws are subjective. Each country has chosen a subjective criteria for abortion and a subjective time limit. If you want the laws to be based on objective criteria, the you had better consider the laws in countries where abortion is illegal.
Thankfully, what you believe is not taken seriously by those who take theses decisions. Of course the men, and women, who determine laws have an agenda. The point is that they don't claim that their agenda is inspired by God.
There is no evidence. All you have is a book full of self-contradictory statements that can be used to support any point of view under the sun. You sincerely believe that your view is backed by the word of God. Other Christians sincerely believe that their opposite view is supported by the word of God. All either of you have is the Bible, which is not evidence of anything, except the capacity of human beings to create lethal conflict in disagreement on the meaning of nonsense. The morality or otherwise of abortion won't be found in the Bible. Morality is human based, seated in the conscience of each individual.
Why do you think I am here, if not interested in this subject? Why are your statements about what other people think and believe so often at complete variance to what they actually say they think and believe? Is it your ability to take in what other people say that is inadequate, or your honesty?
Why it is exactly the same spirit of denial has been alluded to by puddleglum and laid out by me. Trolling is where you are unwilling to debate.
I didn't say that laws are based on objective criteria. I said that laws are themselves an objective fact. Yet another example of your failure to report honestly what other people say. These falsehoods apparently come very easily to you. You should spend more effort checking before you write a statement based on what you wish the other person said.