Pro-choice

[BMS]

Not in evidence that the fetus is 'people' or 'person' or 'human being'.

Yeah not for you to say.

Next question please?

 

[BMS]

Ahhh, another thing you don't understand. Leaving aside that this doesn't apply to me at all, since I do not agree with abortion up to term, if you think that the only thing that happens at birth is that the baby moves 3 inches, then you are sadly uninformed. There are massive physiological changes, particularly to the respiratory and circulatory systems. The biological difference between a foetus ten minutes before birth and a baby ten minutes after are profound.

Not quite what was being put to you of course. The point was 3" outside the womb and the human being can live, and after 14 weeks in some countries. So its sort of location, location, location but without Kirstie Allsop.

So what? The Nazis did X.
The Nazis were evil.
Therefore X is evil.

They made the trains run on time, which isnt evil, and they killed anyone whose life they felt was not viable. I'll leave you to work out to which one of those your ideas on pro-choice abortion matches

 

[Temujin]

Yeah not for you to say.

Next question please?

Nor you. At least we have given a rationale. You have nothing.

 

[BMS]

Nor you. At least we have given a rationale. You have nothing.

Question, not comment. Question is indicated by the '?'

 

[Temujin]

Not quite what was being put to you of course. The point was 3" outside the womb and the human being can live, and after 14 weeks in some countries. So its sort of location, location, location but without Kirstie Allsop.

Precisely the point put to me, that is the lie, "for you it's all about location". Location is not so important as development and the ability to survive ex utero. If you think that any foetus delivered at 14 weeks can life, then you are insane.

They made the trains run on time, which isnt evil, and they killed anyone whose life they felt was not viable. I'll leave you to work out to which one of those your ideas on pro-choice abortion matches

Neither, which is my point. Your attempt at Godwinism fails again. Do you people only have three arguments? You keep reprising the same carp time after time, ignoring the fact that they all crashed and burned decades ago.

 

[Temujin]

Yeah not for you to say.

Nor you. At least we have given a rationale. You have nothing.

 

[Yakuda]

Nor you. At least we have given a rationale. You have nothing.

What's that rationale exactly?

 

[Temujin]

For me, to qualify as a person, a foetus must be sufficiently developed to live out side the womb and be cared for, if necessary, by someone other than the mother.

 

[BMS]

For me, to qualify as a person, a foetus must be sufficiently developed to live out side the womb and be cared for, if necessary, by someone other than the mother.

That is dehumanizing.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Abortion is murder. Legalised murder in many countries.

No, it's not. Legalised murder is a contradiction in terms.

 

[Lion IRC]

So what? The Nazis did X.
The Nazis were evil.
Therefore X is evil.

Who is calling nazis evil?

The dehumanizing of unborn babies and Jews isn't a comparison of evil. Abortion and killing Jews isnt thought of as evil by those who hold those views,

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Yeah not for you to say.

It is not for me to say whether or not the fetus is a person; it is certainly for me to say that it is not in evidence that it is a person.

It's not for you to say whether or not the fetus is a person, either.

Next question please?

I didn't ask one.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Who is calling nazis evil?

The dehumanizing of unborn babies and Jews isn't a comparison isn't thought of as evil by those who hold those views,

Again you are being disingenuous by comparing the dehumasing of Jews by the Nazis with the view held by every human civilisation, ever.

 

[Temujin]

That is dehumanizing.

On the contrary. It is affirming what being a human person is.

 

[Temujin]

Who is calling nazis evil?

You are. You are using "Nazi" as a shorthand for evil.

The dehumanizing of unborn babies and Jews isn't a comparison of evil. Abortion and killing Jews isnt thought of as evil by those who hold those views,

True. The difference is that the vast majority of people in current society think that killing Jews is unqualified evil, while abortion is justified in certain circumstances, a necessary evil if you will.

 

[BMS]

No, it's not. Legalised murder is a contradiction in terms.

Just like transwoman.

 

[BMS]

You are. You are using "Nazi" as a shorthand for evil.

True. The difference is that the vast majority of people in current society think that killing Jews is unqualified evil, while abortion is justified in certain circumstances, a necessary evil if you will.

In current western society, but has not always been.

 

[BMS]

On the contrary. It is affirming what being a human person is.

Excuse me. I was talking about killing the unborn human being, using dehumanising criteria, and you say killing the unborn human being is affirming the human person.
Married bachelors and transwomen?

 

[BMS]

Again you are being disingenuous by comparing the dehumasing of Jews by the Nazis with the view held by every human civilisation, ever.

Which view? What human civilisation?

 

[BMS]

It is not for me to say whether or not the fetus is a person; it is certainly for me to say that it is not in evidence that it is a person.

It's not for you to say whether or not the fetus is a person, either.

I didn't ask one.

Not for me to say but it is for Temujin to say. Hmmn interesting