Reformedguy
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Could you briefly explain what you mean by "provisionist"?
Okay so there is truth in the statement "God provides the means, man and his will provide the ends"Simply, it means God has 'provided' everything people need to be able to be Saved...
Of course, that can be expanded upon. It used to be known as Traditionalism because Traditionally it is alleged to be the founding belief of the SBC. But they began to want to change the name, because people started saying their Beliefs were after the Traditions of Men...
The Provisionists will be here soon; have fun!Okay so there is truth in the statement "God provides the means, man and his will provide the ends"
They are my favorite. 🍖👈The Provisionists will be here soon; have fun!
Basically, they believe God has provided everything people need in order to be Saved; without God having to go the extra-mile and Effectually make a 'real' difference in the life of a person; before they of their own Free Will make THE 'real' difference, compared to their Neighbor...They are my favorite. 🍖👈
NopeOkay so there is truth in the statement "God provides the means, man and his will provide the ends"
Does He also provide belief which in your system which without it you get none of those things right?Nope
The ends are justification, forgiveness, indwelling regeneration salvation
man does not provide those things
No, they say the Gospel Alone provides belief in the Truth for Provisionists...Does He also provide belief which in your system which without it you get none of those things right?
How do I obtain those things??Nope
The ends are justification, forgiveness, indwelling regeneration salvation
man does not provide those things
Well said.Basically, they believe God has provided everything people need in order to be Saved; without God having to go the extra-mile and Effectually make a 'real' difference in the life of a person; before they of their own Free Will make THE 'real' difference, compared to their Neighbor...
God being a Respecter of Persons goes against Unconditional Election...Well said.
God provides those things when a man believesHow do I obtain those things??
He enables or grants faithDoes He also provide belief which in your system which without it you get none of those things right?
If not how do I obtain those things in your system?
How do I obtain those things listed above? What must I do?He enables or grants faith
He does not infuse, transfer faith or believe for anyone
Sorry, I thought you are a Provisionist. I agree with your point about Provisionism, God is not a Respecter of persons regarding the Power of God unto Salvation, IE the Gospel; except that even today the Gospel has not been provided by God to every person...Contrary to what you believe about me, I am not a "Provisionist".
However, you are misrepresenting their position.
If you provide the means to every single person, then that doesn't make God a "respecter of persons". What He has done for one, He does for all.
That's interesting; why are Provisionists Arminian Universalists? Professor Flowers says there is room for Open Theists within Provisionism, so maybe you are on to something...In my opinion, Provisionists are a Arminian Universalist.
I agree with the Provisionist in certain areas but it isn't practical given the fact mankind spirals out of control to the point that the Gospel is "hidden" entirely in society. This happened multiple times in man's history.
Why do you say Provisionism is too close to Universalism; a Banned Topic here at CARM?Open Theism solves some of the issues with both Universalism and Arminianism. However, it goes way too far in denying God's foreknowledge and purpose.
But we must ask how this oft misused phrase is used in context where it is found in Scripture.God being a Respecter of Persons goes against Unconditional Election...
God being a Respecter of Persons allows for Conditional Election...
But the Bible says God is not a Respecter of Persons...
One Fish, two Fish; red Fish, blue Fish...
Please explain...But we must ask how this oft misused phrase is used in context where it is found in Scripture.
Also, the phrase itself actually goes right along with conditional election, as we see in the merited grace, choice meats provisionist usage.