Provisionist

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ReverendRV

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Simply, it means God has 'provided' everything people need to be able to be Saved...

Of course, that can be expanded upon. It used to be known as Traditionalism because Traditionally it is alleged to be the founding belief of the SBC. But they began to want to change the name, because people started saying Traditionalist's Beliefs were after the Traditions of Men...
 
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Reformedguy

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ReverendRV said:
Simply, it means God has 'provided' everything people need to be able to be Saved...

Of course, that can be expanded upon. It used to be known as Traditionalism because Traditionally it is alleged to be the founding belief of the SBC. But they began to want to change the name, because people started saying their Beliefs were after the Traditions of Men...
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Okay so there is truth in the statement "God provides the means, man and his will provide the ends"
 
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Reformedguy said:
They are my favorite. 🍖👈
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Basically, they believe God has provided everything people need in order to be Saved; without God having to go the extra-mile and Effectually make a 'real' difference in the life of a person; before they of their own Free Will make THE 'real' difference, compared to their Neighbor...

They ARE Saved by their very own Prevenient Free Will...
 
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fltom said:
Nope

The ends are justification, forgiveness, indwelling regeneration salvation

man does not provide those things
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Does He also provide belief which in your system which without it you get none of those things right?

If not how do I obtain those things in your system?
 
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ReverendRV said:
Basically, they believe God has provided everything people need in order to be Saved; without God having to go the extra-mile and Effectually make a 'real' difference in the life of a person; before they of their own Free Will make THE 'real' difference, compared to their Neighbor...
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Well said.
 
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Reformedguy said:
Well said.
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God being a Respecter of Persons goes against Unconditional Election...

God being a Respecter of Persons allows for Conditional Election...

But the Bible says God is not a Respecter of Persons...

One Fish, two Fish; red Fish, blue Fish...
 
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praise_yeshua said:
Contrary to what you believe about me, I am not a "Provisionist".

However, you are misrepresenting their position.

If you provide the means to every single person, then that doesn't make God a "respecter of persons". What He has done for one, He does for all.
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Sorry, I thought you are a Provisionist. I agree with your point about Provisionism, God is not a Respecter of persons regarding the Power of God unto Salvation, IE the Gospel; except that even today the Gospel has not been provided by God to every person...

Please, help us understand Provisionism...
 
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praise_yeshua said:
In my opinion, Provisionists are a Arminian Universalist.

I agree with the Provisionist in certain areas but it isn't practical given the fact mankind spirals out of control to the point that the Gospel is "hidden" entirely in society. This happened multiple times in man's history.
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That's interesting; why are Provisionists Arminian Universalists? Professor Flowers says there is room for Open Theists within Provisionism, so maybe you are on to something...

THIS tells us that Provisionism is too close to Heresy for us to prefer. A Genetic Fallacy? I think not; just the truth...
 
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ReverendRV said:
God being a Respecter of Persons goes against Unconditional Election...

God being a Respecter of Persons allows for Conditional Election...

But the Bible says God is not a Respecter of Persons...

One Fish, two Fish; red Fish, blue Fish...
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But we must ask how this oft misused phrase is used in context where it is found in Scripture.

Also, the phrase itself actually goes right along with conditional election, as we see in the merited grace, choice meats provisionist usage.
 
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preacher4truth said:
But we must ask how this oft misused phrase is used in context where it is found in Scripture.

Also, the phrase itself actually goes right along with conditional election, as we see in the merited grace, choice meats provisionist usage.
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Please explain...
 
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