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fltom

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praise_yeshua said:
Universalism requires Unlimited Atonement. Some Arminians believe that the Atonement literally destroyed sin.
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Except Arminians and Provisionist do not hold that atonement in itself saves

and hold one must believe to have the blessings of atonement

Now there are universalists who hold atonement of itself saves

So should it be claimed Calvinists use Universalist ideas ?

Of course not

There is no merit in either argument
 
ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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fltom said:
???????

Respond to the op

already did
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I meant Post #1. Sorry, I don't see a response to Post #1; and any response to me from my Posts on the first page. I see your response to Post #3...

As in respond to "Could you briefly explain what you mean by "provisionist"?"...
 
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fltom

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ReverendRV said:
I meant Post #1. Sorry, I missed it; and any response to me from the first page...

As in respond to "Could you briefly explain what you mean by "provisionist"?"...
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I did somewhere

However Provisionism is the idea that God has for all men provided a means for their salvation

to be appropiated by faith

Those who believe this call themselves Provisionists
 
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ReverendRV

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fltom said:
I did somewhere

However Provisionism is the idea that God has for all men provided a means for their salvation

to be appropiated by faith

Those who believe this call themselves Provisionists
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Then I'm a Provisionist ;)

The OP will obviously want more from you...

To avoid a dispute with them; I mean God has provided the Means for All to be Saved, because we often say that Christ's Atonement is sufficient for All if the would only believe. I don't want to argue about this though...
 
preacher4truth

preacher4truth

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ReverendRV said:
After the Resurrection, it would be Deistic!
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I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.

Leighton teaches all we need is the Gospel while mitigating and virtually eliminated the need for the Spirit is heretical. He laid claim to this in an interview or podcast with Roger Olson. The latter didn't agree with him or respond to that.

We need the Gospel and God, and Christ and the Spirit. All are involved in our rebirth. So what he is saying is absurd, mitigating God, exalting man.
 
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Reformedguy

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ReverendRV said:
Then I'm a Provisionist ;)

The OP will obviously want more from you...

To avoid a dispute with them; I mean God has provided the Means for All to be Saved, because we often say that Christ's Atonement is sufficient for All if the would only believe. I don't want to argue about this though...
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He has provided all the means except one thing, belief. That you must provide yourself
 
ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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preacher4truth said:
I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.

Leighton teaches all we need is the Gospel while mitigating and virtually eliminated the need for the Spirit is heretical. He laid claim to this in an interview or podcast with Roger Olson. The latter didn't agree with him or respond to that.

We need the Gospel and God, and Christ and the Spirit. All are involved in our rebirth. So what he is saying is absurd, mitigating God, exalting man.
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That makes sense. But why would you disagree that Provisionism is like Deism after the Ascension? Do you think it is like Deism before the Ascension too?
 
ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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preacher4truth said:
I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.

Leighton teaches all we need is the Gospel while mitigating and virtually eliminated the need for the Spirit is heretical. He laid claim to this in an interview or podcast with Roger Olson. The latter didn't agree with him or respond to that.

We need the Gospel and God, and Christ and the Spirit. All are involved in our rebirth. So what he is saying is absurd, mitigating God, exalting man.
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I think your point of Provisionism being like Deism is a crushing blow...
 
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ReverendRV

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Reformedguy said:
Which is wierd considering Hebrews 1:3 and Acts 17:28
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And that's to our benefit too. When Provisionists point Verses like these out, they place themselves back into the Realm of having to believe in Providence, God's Decree and Soft Determinism...

1st Timothy 2:5; For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus,

Colossians 1:17; He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.
 
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