???????Do you want to respond to the OP?
Or to any of my responses on the first page?
Respond to the op
already did
???????Do you want to respond to the OP?
Or to any of my responses on the first page?
Except Arminians and Provisionist do not hold that atonement in itself savesUniversalism requires Unlimited Atonement. Some Arminians believe that the Atonement literally destroyed sin.
I meant Post #1. Sorry, I don't see a response to Post #1; and any response to me from my Posts on the first page. I see your response to Post #3...???????
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already did
I did somewhereI meant Post #1. Sorry, I missed it; and any response to me from the first page...
As in respond to "Could you briefly explain what you mean by "provisionist"?"...
Then I'm a ProvisionistI did somewhere
However Provisionism is the idea that God has for all men provided a means for their salvation
to be appropiated by faith
Those who believe this call themselves Provisionists
Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.Simply, it means God has 'provided' everything people need to be able to be Saved...
Interesting...Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
I have never thought about it like that!Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
After the Resurrection/Ascension, it would be Deistic!Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.After the Resurrection, it would be Deistic!
He has provided all the means except one thing, belief. That you must provide yourselfThen I'm a Provisionist
The OP will obviously want more from you...
To avoid a dispute with them; I mean God has provided the Means for All to be Saved, because we often say that Christ's Atonement is sufficient for All if the would only believe. I don't want to argue about this though...
That makes sense. But why would you disagree that Provisionism is like Deism after the Ascension? Do you think it is like Deism before the Ascension too?I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.
Leighton teaches all we need is the Gospel while mitigating and virtually eliminated the need for the Spirit is heretical. He laid claim to this in an interview or podcast with Roger Olson. The latter didn't agree with him or respond to that.
We need the Gospel and God, and Christ and the Spirit. All are involved in our rebirth. So what he is saying is absurd, mitigating God, exalting man.
I think your point of Provisionism being like Deism is a crushing blow...I think not. Deism teaches God is distant and doesn't interfere in the actions of man, nor in the universe. On that basis I think you've made a gaffe.
Leighton teaches all we need is the Gospel while mitigating and virtually eliminated the need for the Spirit is heretical. He laid claim to this in an interview or podcast with Roger Olson. The latter didn't agree with him or respond to that.
We need the Gospel and God, and Christ and the Spirit. All are involved in our rebirth. So what he is saying is absurd, mitigating God, exalting man.
I think this is a genius point. Provisionists like TomL/Flowers don't believe in God's Providence, Decree or even the softest Determinism; Provisionism HAS to be Deistic...Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
You have found THE Fault with Provisionism...Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
You can tell I'm going to run with it...Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.
Which is wierd considering Hebrews 1:3 and Acts 17:28You can tell I'm going to run with it...
Thanks...
And that's to our benefit too. When Provisionists point Verses like these out, they place themselves back into the Realm of having to believe in Providence, God's Decree and Soft Determinism...Which is wierd considering Hebrews 1:3 and Acts 17:28
Universalists believe the atoned are irresistably predetermined to be saved.It's a serious claim. If it's valid, being related to Universalism could get it and you Banned...
I haven't written a Gospel Tract about Deism; or about Provisionism yet...Sounds like a Deistic Soteriology.