Provisionist

fltom

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Sure it's true at my birth. God knows so in the mind of God it's true and what He k ows is true is realized in time.

Also, still nothing about belief being the basis for my being chosen. 😴👈
ROTFLOL

Sorry no you were not indwelt by the Spirit at birth and you were not a new creation in Christ that time

the us chosen = believers

Ephesians 1:1 (ESV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

That is who Paul is speaking of
 

Reformedguy

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You all have a good day, Tom isn't going to learn the truth, he actually opposes it, and only offers ad hominem ridicule.

Getting off his silly humanistic merry go round. He reminds me of several bad characters in The Pilgrim's Progress.
Yes I am about done. He is all over the place and makes no sense. Probably a good call on your part.
 

Reformedguy

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ROTFLOL

Sorry no you were not indwelt by the Spirit at birth and you were not a new creation in Christ that time

the us chosen = believers

Ephesians 1:1 (ESV)
1 Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

That is who Paul is speaking of
Great. Where does it say belief is the basis for being chosen?
 

fltom

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No one said I was indwelt at birth.

Did God know yes or know?
Well then you were not in Christ at birth

Hello

Nor were you a new creation (born again)

according to scripture you were none of his

Romans 8:9 (ESV)
9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

Hello
 

preacher4truth

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This proposition that provisionist are deists is starting to make more and more sense.
Yes, another fact they will deny. This "new" camp gives off the sense of being a cult. Leighton has always been wayward, and his self proclaimed credentials, and misrepresentations of others paints a bad picture. His disciples have his same traits; Luke 6:40.
 

Reformedguy

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Well then you were not in Christ at birth

Hello

Nor were you a new creation (born again)
Your right. In the mind of God I was chosen from the foundation of the world to be realized in God's good time. Your exactly right. Thank you
 

fltom

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Yes, another fact they will deny. This "new" camp gives off the sense of being a cult. Leighton has always been wayward, and his self proclaimed credentials, and misrepresentations of others paints a bad picture. His disciples have his same traits; Luke 6:40.
Where did you deal with your misreading of Burkett

Note, 2. The subject of this favour, He hath chosen us, us Gentiles. The Jews much gloried in their being a chosen generation, a peculiar people; we Gentiles are a chosen generation also; they were beloved for their father's sake, Abraham's, we for Christ's sake.

It has to do with the corporate election of the gentiles

not men unconditionally chosen

As typical you respond to argument based upon scripture and texts with ad hominem and character assassination

How well you illustrate what you are about
 

ReverendRV

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It is. God sets a plan and then sits back and hopes I guess.
What's the difference between a Deistic God providing us everything we need to live, and abandoning us; and Provisionism's stance that God provides us everything we need to have eternal life, and leaving us to our own devices after that?

Not much...
 

fltom

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What's the difference between a Deistic God providing us everything we need to live, and abandoning us; and Provisionism's stance that God provides us everything we need to have eternal life, and leaving us to our own devices after that?

Not much...
Except that is not the Provisionist perspective

and you should know better than that

Saving, regenerating, indwelling of the Spirit to enable living for Christ is not leaving us to our own devices

Think about truth
 

Reformedguy

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Except that is not the Provisionist perspective

and you should know better than that

Saving, regenerating, indwelling of the Spirit to enable living for Christ is not leaving us to our own devices

Think about truth
Those are post belief remember your merit based theology? Do this and all this is yours.
 

Reformedguy

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That shows foreknowledge not unconditional election to salvation
So if God knows then in the mind of God I have always been in Chrst to be realized in time at God's good pleasure right?

If not when did God come to learn I would be in Christ?
 

preacher4truth

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Those are post belief remember your merit based theology? Do this and all this is yours.
These guys are as opposed to the true Gospel as was Finney. Another similar trait that Finney had is one that Leighton has as well, claiming to be Calvinist, only later to be found as charlatans. These crept in, unawares, trying to make out they are something they are not, to spread their damnable heresies.
 

fltom

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Since you teach that you put yourself into Christ it may be plausible you're still in Adam. No man takes themselves out of Adam, and puts themselves in Christ, but that is what you're trying to pass off.

Your teaching is asinine, smug, humanistic twaddle, and nothing less.
Is there a reason you failed to address anything and just post rhetoric ande ad hominem

Still denial

He chose men in Christ

You cannot be in Christ without believing

and this certainly was not true of you in a non existent state


Romans 8:1-9 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

rather in a non existent state you were none of his

The Holy spirit did not reside in you from birth

nor were you a new creation

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

so was anyone in Christ before creation?
 

preacher4truth

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What's the difference between a Deistic God providing us everything we need to live, and abandoning us; and Provisionism's stance that God provides us everything we need to have eternal life, and leaving us to our own devices after that?

Not much...
It is hard to witness, especially when Flowers solidified this in his denial of the Spirit's involvement in the new birth.
 

Reformedguy

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Is there a reason you failed to address anything and just post rhetoric ande ad hominem

Still denial

He chose men in Christ

You cannot be in Christ without believing

and this certainly was not true of you in a non existent state


Romans 8:1-9 (KJV)
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

rather in a non existent state you were none of his

The Holy spirit did not reside in you from birth

nor were you a new creation

2 Corinthians 5:17 (KJV)
17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

so was anyone in Christ before creation?
In the mind of God, absolutely.
 
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