Provisionist

fltom

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So if God knows then in the mind of God I have always been in Chrst to be realized in time at God's good pleasure right?

If not when did God come to learn I would be in Christ?
No you have not always been in Christ

Rather he always knows who will be in Christ in time
 

fltom

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These guys are as opposed to the true Gospel as was Finney. Another similar trait that Finney had is one that Leighton has as well, claiming to be Calvinist, only later to be found as charlatans. These crept in, unawares, trying to make out they are something they are not, to spread their damnable heresies.
News flash

unconditional election is not the gospel

this is

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (ESV)
1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

John 3:14-17 (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
 

Reformedguy

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News flash

unconditional election is not the gospel

this is

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (ESV)
1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

John 3:14-17 (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
No one said unconditional election is the gospel. Another strawman.
 

fltom

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Thats what I said genius. Good job. So in the mind of God I have always been in Christ. It is a certainty. Which of course destroys your provisionist free will nonsense.
Wake up

No he knew who would one day be in Christ

not that they were in Christ before they were born
 

preacher4truth

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News flash
You're clueless.
unconditional election is not the gospel
Anything denying the grace of the Gospel is a false gospel, which is yours. Merited grace isn't grace at all; it destroys the Gospel.

That's like saying the Galatians making circumcision necessary "is not the gospel" and justifying it by quoting the ingredient list in 1 Corinthians 15 and saying "See, it isn't in there!"

It's remarkable that you cannot think deeply enough to see your error.
 

fltom

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You're clueless.

Anything denying the grace of the Gospel is a false gospel, which is yours. Merited grace isn't grace at all; it destroys the Gospel.

That's like saying the Galatians making circumcision necessary "is not the gospel" and justifying it by quoting the ingredient list in 1 Corinthians 15 and saying "See, it isn't in there!"

It's remarkable that you cannot think deeply enough to see your error.

Except i never stated a thing about merited grace

that is just your imposition of your theology upon my beliefs and a fslse witness

and 1Cor 15 does show the contents of the gospel

and John does show how one appropriates the benefits of the gospel

John 3:14-16 (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

and it is not because one was unconditionally selected to be in Christ
 

fltom

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Exactly. His distorted view of the gospel is disturbing, he cannot grasp it at all.
What is disturbing is how you respond to scripture with ad hominem and false witness

I quoted the gospel

1 Corinthians 15:1-11 (ESV)
1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,
2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,
5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.
6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.
7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles.
8 Last of all, as to one untimely born, he appeared also to me.
9 For I am the least of the apostles, unworthy to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
11 Whether then it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed.

and how one appropriates its benefits

John 3:14-16 (ESV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

nothing there at all about being unconditionally elected to believe or to be in Christ

neither the gospel or its appropriation concerns unconditional election
 
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