ReverendRV
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No Hard Determinism, no soft determinism, no Providence! How is this not Deism?
He'll say yes to a little bit of this, but his definition is off...
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He'll say yes to a little bit of this, but his definition is off...
Provide evidence for your claim
SovereignGrace
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Reformedguy
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Dies not say He chose believers, lol
In the mind of God they are, temporally they are not as has been explained to you many times
What did you mean by "what might happen in time"?
preacher4truth
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We can see more and more clearly the error of their gospel.
True Gospel belief is when a person truly understands it is all of Grace, it was all of God, and the person is in stunned silence as to self, and can only boast in the LORD; 1 Corinthians 1:26-31.
Reformedguy
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And all of God's people said AMEN!
Except nowhere is it stated men are unconditionally selected and irresistibly unilateral chosen to believe
Reformedguy
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It does not say belief is the reason does it?
"WILL COME TO ME", sounds irresistible to me.
If its conditional it's merit based.
preacher4truth
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I knew you wouldn't be one of the "let all God's people say amen." You simply cannot give Him the glory at all.
Scripture teaches exactly what you deny. You'll continue to deny it unless God intervenes, but you don't even believe in that, it's all up to you.
True gospel belief is when you trust Christ for your salvation rather than self
It has nothing to do with unconditional election
or
irresistible unilateral gifting of faith
Reformedguy
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It's your choice apart from God that saves you. God's omniscience destroys provisionism.
Sorry you are reading your thoughts into the mind of others
Show where scripture teaches
men are unconditionally selected and irresistibly unilateral chosen to believe
That is your theology found nowhere in scripture
Reformedguy
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Well thats easy, you are saved by grace, unmerited favor. Conditions imply merit in your choice. Do this, get this.
Wrong
God saves those who believe
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
and sent Christ to die
Created the plan of salvation
Inspired men to preach and write it down
and saves those who believe
by regenerating them
Indwells them with his Spirit
Gives them remission of sin
justification
eternal life
there is no such thing as salvation apart from God
Reformedguy
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Never said He didn't. Another straw man.
Created the plan of salvation? Lol back to being a Open Theist?
God cannot save you unless you make the right choice. He makes a plan and you do the rest. Congrats, that's merit based theology.
Sorry that is simply an assumption
John 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
here we have two conditions
1 Christ lifted up
2 believing in him
Reformedguy
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God knows who will be saved and its silly He makes provision for something tha
Does it not say you are saved by grace, unmerited favor? Sure does. So conditions are impossible unless what God requires God provides.
Sola Deo Gloria!
Sorry you just ignore scripture
John 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
there are still two conditions in that passage
Can you be saved without Christ's sacrifice?
Can you be saved without faith?
Reformedguy
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What's ignorant scripture?
Nope
Nope. Faith is a gift of God otherwise faith has merit and we are no longer saved by unmerited favor.
There is no whosoever in verse 15 by the way. Literally "everyone who IS BELIEVEING"
LOL
Ignore not ignorant
You are not reading well and you ignored this
John 3:14-15 (KJV)
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
there are still two conditions in that passage
Can you be saved without Christ's sacrifice?
Can you be saved without faith?
those are conditions it is irrelevant who fills those conditions
they must be fulfilled
Sorry the idea that faith merit salvation is not a biblical one
and the ideas that it is man who believes is also a biblical one