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Provisionist
- Thread starter Reformedguy
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Sorry one must still be believingThere is no condition. It's "everyone who IS BELIEVEING".
Speaking of ignoring.
That is a condition
One not believing is not saved
Hello
that is a condition
Reformedguy
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No kidding. Lol that's what it says. But that's not quite what you intended by posting that verse is it?Sorry one must still be believing
That is a condition
One not believing is not saved
Hello
that is a condition
Condition for what? Being chosen? It does not say that
being savedNo kidding. Lol that's what it says. But that's not quite what you intended by posting that verse is it?
Condition for what? Being chosen? It does not say that
Are you now agreeing faith is a condition for salvation?
Reformedguy
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No. Faith is a gift by the grace of God. You are saved by unmerited favor. Conditions implies merit.being saved
Are you now agreeing faith is a condition for salvation?
So we have established that John 3 15 or 16 has no conditions. They already believe. We are making progress, slow but progress none the less.
So you can be saved in unbelief?No. Faith is a gift by the grace of God. You are saved by unmerited favor. Conditions implies merit.
So we have established that John 3 15 or 16 has no conditions. They already believe. We are making progress, slow but progress none the less.
Sorry you have not established anything
answer the question
Reformedguy
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Who even hinted at such a thing? LolSo you can be saved in unbelief?
Sorry you have not established anything
answer the question
That is assuming libertarian faith is works. It's not. And God is not the author of Esau's sin, so that is libertarian. God predetermined Esau to be the one to sin but Esau by miracle libertarianly did what God predetermined. God is miraculous.11 though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad—in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not because of works but because of him who calls— 12 she was told, The older will serve the younger. 13 As it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.
Is libertarianism Pelagian? Give an example of where libertarianism is not pelagian.
This doesn't imply that there wasn't a libertarian condition. God chose the genuine seekers. In Eph 1:4 it is talking only to those who are already saved for whatever reason. They are the chosen.Nope, Ephesians 1:4. Chosen in Christ from the foundation of the world. Why are we chosen? To be holy and blameless.
Reformedguy
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Well the burden of proof lies with you if your asserting there was one.This doesn't imply that there wasn't a libertarian condition. God chose the genuine seekers. In Eph 1:4 it is talking only to those who are already saved for whatever reason. They are the chosen.
It does not say anything about genuine seekers.
Adam was libertarian and made a libertarian sin. We all died in Adam so we all like Adam do libertarian self-authored sin.Since you teach that you put yourself into Christ it may be plausible you're still in Adam. No man takes themselves out of Adam, and puts themselves in Christ, but that is what you're trying to pass off.
It is silent either way altogether. But since it's silent then it's not unscriptural to assume a natural belief in libertarian choice. So I don't have a burden of proof.Well the burden of proof lies with you if your asserting there was one.
It does not say anything about genuine seekers.
Reformedguy
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And I am not bound to your speculationIt is silent either way altogether. But since it's silent then it's not unscriptural to assume a natural belief in libertarian choice. So I don't have a burden of proof.
God interacts with His creation. Deism doesn't. So you are wrong. But predetermination has God predetermining both sides of debates making Him merely talking to Himself.This proposition that provisionist are deists is starting to make more and more sense.
God is always omniscient of all libertarianism.Thats what I said genius. Good job. So in the mind of God I have always been in Christ. It is a certainty. Which of course destroys your provisionist free will nonsense.
Once they meet the conditions it's irresistsble.It does not say belief is the reason does it?
"WILL COME TO ME", sounds irresistible to me.
If its conditional it's merit based.
And it doesn't deny it. So the natural belief in libertarianism is not unscriptural.Well the burden of proof lies with you if your asserting there was one.
It does not say anything about genuine seekers.
so if you were to say that my theology teaches man saves himself you would be a false witness wouldn't youNever said He didn't. Another straw man.
Created the plan of salvation? Lol back to being a Open Theist?
God cannot save you unless you make the right choice. He makes a plan and you do the rest. Congrats, that's merit based theology.
seeing as it is God who does all those things
belief is a conditionIt does not say belief is the reason does it?
"WILL COME TO ME", sounds irresistible to me.
If its conditional it's merit based.
Acts 16:31 (KJV)
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
John 20:31 (KJV)
31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
Reformedguy
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All what things?so if you were to say that my theology teaches man saves himself you would be a false witness wouldn't you
seeing as it is God who does all those things