Reformedguy
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Sure. And? Happy Thanksgiving by the way to you and yourDoes God require us to believe?
Doug
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Sure. And? Happy Thanksgiving by the way to you and yourDoes God require us to believe?
Doug
Shh....let Doug handle it.Huh ?
Is this that foreign to you that this is God plan for salvation
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
No one says otherwise. LolAnd that is scripture
So who is believing the gospel ?No one says otherwise. Lol
As you wishShh....let Doug handle it.
You are. Again, who has said otherwise??So who is believing the gospel ?
Except unconditional election to salvation and necessitated faith are never spoken of in the bibleSo we're supposed to blindly accept that "believing is not meritorious", just because you CLAIM it's not?
From dictionary.com:
Meritorious (adj.)
1. deserving praise, reward, esteem, etc.; praiseworthy:
Sounds PRECISELY how one would describe "faith".
Yes, Paul repeatedly contrasted with works. But the faith Paul spoke of is NOT the same faith Arminians believe in. It is the God-given gift that CAUSES (necessarily) the elect to believe. So you can't appeal to Paul when (IMO) he's not referring to what you believe
so man actively believesYou are. Again, who has said otherwise??
Neither is salvation by meritorious faith like you teach.Except unconditional election and necessitated faith are never spoken of in the bible
Agency?Yes, there are two things that must happen before salvation: preaching (the gospel) and believing (the gospel). Both of which, are the responsibility of human agents!
Doug
so man actively believes
and the bible never speaks of man passively receiving saving faith
correct ?
If faith is a gift it has to be given and received No ?Sure does, I actively fulfill the command after my heart of stone is replaced with a heart of flesh and the Spirit is put in me.
Who said you recoeve faith?
Not according to Ezekiel 36.If faith is a gift it has to be given and received No ?
you err however in that Faith is required before the Spirit is put in you
John 7:38-39 (KJV)
38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
Galatians 3:14 (KJV)
14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
I don't teach meritorious faithNeither is salvation by meritorious faith like you teach.
You do teach meritorious faith.. it does earn salvation.. you cannot be saved without it..I don't teach meritorious faith
Faith is faith it does not earn salvation
The bible denies faith is meritorious
The only kind of faith the bible speaks of is the kind where man actively believes based on God granting or enabling it through the word
Sorry but you speak out of your own understanding and contrary to scriptureYou do teach meritorious faith.. it does earn salvation.. you cannot be saved without it..
And man's active belief apart from God is meritorious.. you can't be saved without it..
God provides the means,, man provides the ends.. Thanks for agreeing
Man does supply the faith/belief in your dumb system which without you cannot be saved. Therefore they meritorious. The more you talk the more you agree with me. Thanks.Sorry but you speak out of your own understanding and contrary to scripture
and you are still in error regarding the ends
forgiveness and salvation are the ends and man does not supply this
so you just repeat nonsense
Sorry merit implies they earned salvationMan does supply the faith/belief in your dumb system which without you cannot be saved. Therefore they meritorious. The more you talk the more you agree with me. Thanks.
In your system they do. Your exactly right. Lol keep talking. PleaseSorry merit implies they earned salvation
that is absurd
no one can earn their salvation
Sorry but you are reporting falsely based on faulty understandingIn your system they do. Your exactly right. Lol keep talking. Please