Reformedguy
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Except your belief/faith. That's how you become to be in Christ right? According to your theology? Lol
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Do you have a problem with scripture ?Except your belief/faith. That's how you become to be in Christ right? According to your theology? Lol
Why do you mock ?
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Reformedguy
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How do you become to be in Christ? Let's demonstrate your best try at moving the goal post shall we?Do you have a problem with scripture ?
Why do you mock ?
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Don't you read ?How do you become to be in Christ? Let's demonstrate your best try at moving the goal post shall we?
The answer was given you above
Reformedguy
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That verse says nothing about being in Christ. So how do you find yourself in Christ?Don't you read ?
The answer was given you above
Once again readThat verse says nothing about being in Christ. So how do you find yourself in Christ?
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
the pronoun whom refers to Christ
Reformedguy
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Then what follows happens after one is in Christ which you are from the foundation of the world. AmenOnce again read
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
the pronoun whom refers to Christ
Sorry no one is in Christ before the foundation of the earthThen what follows happens after one is in Christ which you are from the foundation of the world. Amen
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
So we're supposed to blindly accept that "believing is not meritorious", just because you CLAIM it's not?
From dictionary.com:
Meritorious (adj.)
1. deserving praise, reward, esteem, etc.; praiseworthy:
Sounds PRECISELY how one would describe "faith".
Yes, Paul repeatedly contrasted with works. But the faith Paul spoke of is NOT the same faith Arminians believe in. It is the God-given gift that CAUSES (necessarily) the elect to believe. So you can't appeal to Paul when (IMO) he's not referring to what you believe.
You have two problems
When you speak of merit you are claiming that some believe salvation is merited or earned
Faith does not merit salvation
It does not earn salvation
That is completely false
If one could earn his salvation through faith Christ would not have needed to go to the cross
second the bible nowhere teaches a necessitated faith
so your claim
"But the faith Paul spoke of is NOT the same faith Arminians believe in. "
is without biblical support
Reformedguy
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It says you were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.Sorry no one is in Christ before the foundation of the earth
Ephesians 1:13 (KJV)
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of" note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
"For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world" See Ephesians 1:4
Corporate Election of the church to be holy and blameless before him in loveIt says you were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.
"For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world" See Ephesians 1:4
You can't be chosen in Christ if you are not in Christ
that men were not in Christ before the foundation of the earth was clearly shown
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellowprisoners, who are of" note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
by showing men were in Christ at different times
One must consider the whole council of God
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The faithful in Christ (the church) corporately chosen to be holy and blameless before him in loveIt says you were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.
"For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world" See Ephesians 1:4
Men are in Christ in time
You need to consider the whole council of God
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Reformedguy
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It says none of that. It says chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. Way to completely avoid Eph. 1:4 Good jobThe faithful in Christ (the church) corporately chosen to be holy and blameless before him in love
Men are in Christ in time
You need to consider the whole council of God
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Read before you postIt says none of that. It says chosen in Him before the foundation of the world. Way to completely avoid Eph. 1:4 Good job
Men are in Christ in time
You need to consider the whole council of God
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
Reformedguy
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Oh I agree we are in Christ in time but none the less chosen to be so before the foundation of the world just as it says in the text your avoiding as you typically do.Read before you post
Men are in Christ in time
You need to consider the whole council of God
Romans 16:7 (KJV)
7 Salute Andronicus and Junia, my kinsmen, and my fellow prisoners, who are of note among the apostles, who also were in Christ before me.
It says you were chosen in Him from the foundation of the world.
"For He chose us in Him before the creation of the world" See Ephesians 1:4
Ephesians 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen *us* in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
You are correct but the *us* is the libertarian *faithful* (Eph 1:1) that are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.faithfulness is a libertarian/synergistc concept.
Ephesians 1:1 (KJV) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to ...
... **the faithful* in Christ Jesus**:
Reformedguy
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It says libertarian faithful? Which version?Ephesians 1:4 (KJV) According as he hath chosen *us* in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
You are correct but the *us* is the libertarian *faithful* (Eph 1:1) that are chosen in Him before the foundation of the world.faithfulness is a libertarian/synergistc concept.
Ephesians 1:1 (KJV) Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to ...
... **the faithful* in Christ Jesus**:
Nope those in Christ are chosen to be holyOh I agree we are in Christ in time but none the less chosen to be so before the foundation of the world just as it says in the text your avoiding as you typically do.
The verse says nothing about being chosen to be in Christ
read scripture not your theology
Reformedguy
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Sure it does. He chose us in Him from the foundation of the world, In that sentence who is doing the chosing?Nope those in Christ are chosen to be holy
The verse says nothing about being chosen to be in Christ
read scripture not your theology
That is a half citiationSure it does. He chose us in Him from the foundation of the world, In that sentence who is doing the chosing?
I saw where Seth was escouriated for leaving out a portion of a verse
you left off chosen to be holy and blameless before him in love
not chosen to be in Him