Prove God doesn't exist.
Q & A: Creationism
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Jesus is God; therefore He knows everything. Prove me wrong.
Temujin
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Sorry sunshine, that's not the way these things work. If you make an extraordinary claim, such as God exists, the onus is on you to prove it. In the absence of a shred of convincing evidence, I will continue in the default state of not believing. What you do is up to you.
Temujin
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Of course. You wouldn't want to threaten your fragile belief system.
You believe Julius Caesar existed. You reject the Supernatural. You only believe what you can see, touch, feel, except for historical figures whom you cannot touch, see, or feel ... you believe in them. lol. That's knuckleheaded.
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Don't give academia too much credit. They deny Abraham existed, Moses existed, the Exodus, the Creation Week, the Flood, Jesus as the son of God, God, and in short, most anything in the Bible.
Yep.
Temujin
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No, that's what "convincing evidence" does. Not believing in things for which there is convincing evidence, such as evolution, the age of the universe and Julius Caesar, would be knuckle headed. You believe in things that only the gullible believe in, things without convincing evidence. That really is knuckle headed.
Some things can only be evidenced by eyewitnesses.
Such as Jesus walking on water.
To expect TODAY that someone should give objective evidence, or even convincing evidence, of same is ludicrous.
To believe TODAY that Jesus walked on water back then is faith -- believing something, even when science says otherwise.
To think that someone is "knuckle headed" for their faith is knuckle headed.
Temujin
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Eyewitness statements are notoriously unreliable, however old they may be. Don't bother looking for evidence of Jesus walking on water. Some evidence that he existed at all would be a start. (I am open-minded on this). I don't see why I should be expected to believe that a person who may have lived 2000 years ago walked on water just because you can't find any eyewitnesses still alive. I am quite prepared to believe that there is a story that he did, and even that some people who lived 100 years later, believed the story and wrote it down. That the story is true, is another matter.
Cause knuckleheadedness?
As knuckleheaded as not believing in the historicity, accuracy, and truthfulness of the Christian Scripture.
The Christian Scriptures have absolutely convinced billions of people of its truthfulness for thousands of years ... prove me wrong ..
CrowCross
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The atheist would demand you produce Jesus' footprints on the surface of the water.
Temujin
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Historicity, yes. Accuracy and truthfulness, no.
Sure. As soon as you and all those "billions" of Christians can come up with a version that all of you believe. As you have spent the last 2 thousand squabbling and murdering each other over points of doctrine, good luck with that.
I believe this time in history is the first time in history that has seen a denial of the historicity of the person of Jesus Christ. It is a sin-caused stupidity hard to overcome ...
No offense, Temujin, but I highly doubt you're open minded on this.
You say you are, but it's probably because you just want credit for it.
Consider this, from Wikipedia:
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This should clinch it for you, except for one thing you said:
You said, "Some evidence that he [sic] existed at all would be a start."
THEN you claim you're "open minded."
Sorry -- I'm not buying it.
Proof?
Unbelievers have done the same; do you have point in saying that?
CrowCross
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John 6: 44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets, ‘And they will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to me—
Temujin....please don't get anoid at the Christians if you have not been drawn and taught by God. Then again maybe you have been drawn or are being drawn...after all you are in a theological discussion.
The second point is...have you been granted the ability to come to Christ?
John 6:65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
But, if you feel the need to battle..to show there is no God and no need for redemption...I suppose that's on you.
Well even their fallen scholars admit Jesus existed historically.
But for some people, even their own academics can take a hike if their academics get in the way of their faith in believing otherwise.
I like to define faith as "Believing something, even when science says otherwise," and even unbelievers demonstrate that.
I take flack for saying SCIENCE CAN TAKE A HIKE, by those who are willing to tell science to take a hike.
CrowCross
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...now Temujin has to come up with a clever reason as to why the historians got it wrong.
I totally agree.
But to his credit, he did preface his comment with "some evidence."
So he has an escape hatch he can fall back on, such as:
"All those scholars aren't going on evidence -- just conjecture."
Or something like that.