You are funny.
If no one has the text that they first translated from then there is no proof that the scripture was translated from another language.
There's no proof that the text they have is the original. In fact, there is proof that the text we have has been changed. Have you ever heard of the Dead Sea scrolls? Those are older that the documents we have and yet they are different. Further, there is clear evidence that Old Testament was heavily redacted in order to hide certain controversial doctrines.
And while you and I might be funny, the facts aren't.
Then there is no proof that the bible that you are reading is the word of God given to the children of Israel, or any proof that the NT epistles were written by followers of Jesus. You are digging a pit for yourself with that argument.
There is proof that what we now have, both Old and New Testament, did not come from the original documents. We can tell that just by testing the date of the material the text was written on. If the material can only be dated to 300AD, then it can't be the original. Someone copied it from somewhere because Paul was long dead by 300AD.
So you are saying that men just made up the bible from their imagination?
No. That's not what I'm saying at all. I'll repeat what I'm saying: "We don't have any original material from any of the Bible's books". That's what I'm saying.
In that case, no one would be saved with those other translations.
While that is possible, I think it's a pretty far, perhaps too far, of a stretch of the imagination. No. I don't think that's what happened, but I do think that while copying to other manuscripts there were mistakes made, some intentional, some unintentional. We'll never know because we don't have the orignals anywhere. No one does.
You are not making any sense...You are the one who is putting confidence in a new and improved version. You seem to be making the claim that the version that you support is the perfect version.
That has been stretched too far as well. I have made no such claim, but I sense that you will soon change the subject because you (possibly??) have realized that you don't know what you're talking about.
Well according to you there are three. You posted from three versions that are, as you say new and improved.
I think you are confusing me with someone else. I'm waiting for you to post the new and improved translations with evidence that shows they are newer and more "improved". If you don't have them, let me know so I can put you back on ignore.
Nope, scholars are not perfect, are they?
Well, then you can't possibly argue with scholars then, can you? You, like all the rest of us here, have to deal with the English translations scholars have provided us. Making a reference that I don't know how to translate from the source is irrelevant. Somebody already has. I only need to be able to read English.
The translations that you reject, were they not translated by scholars?
Again, you must be referring to someone else. I'm happy with the translations we have. The most recent scholarly translations and general consensus on Ps 82 is that those beings are gods in a council of gods and are not humans. Do you have something newer and more improved?
The translations that you reject, were they not translated by scholars? Don't scholars disagree with each other?
Yes. They were translated by scholars. And I accept their scholarship. Some scholars disagree, but on this point, the general consensus
is that those beings in Ps 82 are neither false gods nor are they human. The fact that Jesus used Ps 82 validates them. It does not validate the consensus. You have to draw your own conclusions (you will anyway regardless of opposing evidence). I tend to agree with the scholarly consensus. They certainly weren't human judges as God called them sons of the Most High, all of them. That term has never been used for human judges.
Luke 1:32, it is used specifically in connection with Jesus Christ
Deut 32:8, it is used to describe the gods of all other nations, 70 of them singling out one of them as being the God of Israel
Mark 5:7. Luke 8:28, it refers to Christ - spoken of by a devil being cast out
Luke 6:35, it refers to those who follow Christ
Luke 1:35, refers to Christ - spoken of by an angel
If we look at a similar term, sons of God - already we know that Jesus was a son of God
Luke 3:38, Adam was a son of God
1 John 5:10,13,20, Eph 4:13, Rev 2:18 uses that phrase to identify Jesus
1 John 4:15, directly connects the phrase "Jesus is the Son of God"
as does Mark 1:1, "Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God"
Gen 6:4, mystery men, who they are is any ones guess but they sure aren't human judges
Luke 1:32, refers to Jesus, Nathanael called it before Peter did
Rom 1:4 connects the phrase with Jesus
Luke 4:41, demons calling Jesus the Son of God
1 John 5:12, refers to Jesus or his gospel
Rom 8:14 refers to the followers of Christ (also not human judges)
Heb 10:29 uses the phrase to refer to Jesus' teachings
Heb 7:3 connects the priesthood or those who have it, resembling Jesus (termed Son of God)
John 11:4, Jesus referring to himself as the Son of God
1 John 3:8, refers to Jesus, one of the reasons he was born
Matt 26:63, during the illegal tribunal, the courts, demanding he self-identify as the Son of God
Luke 4:9, the devil, challenging him if he is the Son of God
John 5:25, the voice of Jesus, the son of God preaching to the dead
John 10:36, Jesus, calling himself, "I am the Son of God"
Luke 1:35, An angel announcing the birth of Jesus as the Son of God
Job 38:7, all the sons of God shouted for joy...
None of these refer to human judges. I see three classes of people where these titles are used, maybe 4.
1. Jesus Christ
2. Those who follow Jesus Christ
3. mystery beings that dwell somewhere other than this earth
4. Melchizedek priesthood holders.
No human judges. If we can accept that we all lived in the presence of God before we were born, then those mystery beings, the ones in Job and Psalms and even loosely the ones in Genesis, those beings are us, dwelling in the presence of God prior to our mortal birth, and those who follow Christ are same being after they have been born. They remain sons of God so long as they follow Christ. We remain sons so long as we keep the covenant, but lose our inheritance when we break the covenant. If this is true, it's pretty obvious we all followed Christ before we were born. But those who seek self-gratification and esteem themselves above others (the very problem Ps 82 discusses) will fall and their fall will cause others to fall. This is the doctrine of the church. We all sat in that council. Most of us discard it and choose to walk our own way. Ps 82 is the way. It's written to every mortal person regardless of their religious affiliation. Cornelius practiced pure religion and God noticed. Ps 82 teaches the purpose of life and how to live in it. It expresses pure religion without saying it.