Question for Christians on Morality

Jewjitzu

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What about Melchizedek? Does he have claims to being a high priest to Abraham?
No, in reading Gen 14:19, we find Melchizedek was just a cohen, priest. High Priest would be worded as Cohen Gadol in Hebrew, and it's not as in Zechariah 3:8.

David and his sons were priests as well, 2 Samuel 8:18.

Psalm 110 speaks of David.
 

stiggy wiggy

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That Jesus is a High Priest.

Indeed that Jesus was. You know, that Jesus Who rose from the dead.

When it comes to Waffle House, Motel Six, Marines, Gideon Bible, scraping shoes you've got the market cornered.

Correct. And don't forget Boardwalk and Park Place..

Aaah, your feelings are hurt?

Heh, you couldn't hurt the feelings of a naked patient suffering from hyperesthesia and peripheral neuropathy if you had an electric cattle prod.

Enjoy your waffles 🧇.

Pass the politically incorrect Aunt Jemima Maple Syrup.
 

Jewjitzu

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Indeed that Jesus was. You know, that Jesus Who rose from the dead.
Indeed, neither happened. Have you checked his lineage lately?

BTW, Melkitzedek wasn't a High Priest and just based on this Jesus couldn't be either, besides his inconclusive lineage, stiggy. Haven't you studied this before?

Correct. And don't forget Boardwalk and Park Place..
Ok, I'll add kid games too. Like what you've been doing here.

Heh, you couldn't hurt the feelings of a naked patient suffering from hyperesthesia and peripheral neuropathy if you had an electric cattle prod.
Rotfl... you're speaking of physical ailments. But, you're neither of your examples and your feelings are hurt. Poor baby 👶.

Pass the politically incorrect Aunt Jemima Maple Syrup.
Is that what they serve at Waffle House or Motel 6?
 
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stiggy wiggy

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Indeed, neither happened. Have you checked his lineage lately?

No offense, Burgundy, but I'm taking the word of the author of the epistle to the Hebrews over yours.

BTW, Melkitzedek wasn't a High Priest

And yet he was. Still haven't opened that Motel 6 drawer yet, I see.

...........you're speaking of physical ailments.

Very good!

But, you're neither of your examples and your feelings are hurt.

Heh, you couldn't hurt the feelings of the wokest pink haired nose ringed female SJW teenager if you read to her from "The Comedy of Andrew Dice Clay."

Is that what they serve at Waffle House or Motel 6?

Sure. Motel 6's put packets of syrup under the pillows.
 

Jewjitzu

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No offense, Burgundy, but I'm taking the word of the author of the epistle to the Hebrews over yours.
Great 👍. Unsupported theology seems to be your thing.

And yet he was. Still haven't opened that Motel 6 drawer yet, I see.
Never been to a Motel 6 or read the Gideon. The NT on the other hand is unscriptural and unsupported by the Original Testament.

Very good!
Correct. Yours is interior - hurt pride and feeling a boo boo.

Heh, you couldn't hurt the feelings of the wokest pink haired nose ringed female SJW teenager if you read to her from "The Comedy of Andrew Dice Clay."
Again, too bad about your feelings.

Sure. Motel 6's put packets of syrup under the pillows.
Wow! You know lots of useless stuff. It's part of your Encylopedia, huh.
 

Caroljeen

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No, in reading Gen 14:19, we find Melchizedek was just a cohen, priest. High Priest would be worded as Cohen Gadol in Hebrew, and it's not as in Zechariah 3:8.

David and his sons were priests as well, 2 Samuel 8:18.

Psalm 110 speaks of David.
Jesus is in the line of David and called a priest after the order of Mechizedek (an eternal priest). Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin. The levitical priesthood is no longer needed. The old covenant of Moses has been replaced. Jesus is the prophet Moses spoke of.
 

Jewjitzu

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Jesus is in the line of David and called a priest after the order of Mechizedek (an eternal priest).
I'm sorry, if you've studied the lineage of Jesus in Matthew and Luke, they contradict each other, and in either case descent from David is absent since he was born from a virgin. Mothers don't pass tribal lineage, nor does adoption help the case.

As I proved, Melkitzedek wasn't a High Priest. The High Priesthood only belongs to descendants of Aaron.

Jesus was the final sacrifice for sin.
This isn't true either as sacrifices continued after his death until 70 CE. Ezekiel 37 - 45 also show sin sacrifices during the future temple, of which the prince Messiah will present sin sacrifices for himself.

The levitical priesthood is no longer needed.
And yet Jeremiah 33:17-26 shows the Levitical priesthood and the Davidic king together with future sacrifices.

The old covenant of Moses has been replaced.
Wrong. Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the same, renewed covenant written on the hearts and minds, not stone. It applies to the houses of Israel and Judah, not the church.

Jesus is the prophet Moses spoke of.
I doubt that. Moses never spoke of a god-man prophet, or one that fulfills ones obligation in the law.
 
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Jewjitzu

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LOL, one liners seems to be your thing.
If it's a easy setup, why not. If you can show me where a High Priest will come from outside of the Levitical Priesthood predicted by Tanakh, by all means please do. If not, then you have a false High Priesthood being described in the book of Hebrews. Stiggy Wiggy doesnt seem like he can defend his POV.

Have you ever read the NT?
Yes, which is why I know the problems with it.

The authors are frequently quoting scriptures to support their claims as is Jesus.
It seems that way, but upon examination, you'll find things taken out of context or just plain wrong.
 
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stiggy wiggy

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Not interested in your lousy Roger Ebert impression.

Never been to a Motel 6

Too swanky for your taste?

The NT on the other hand is unscriptural ...

Scripture is unscriptural? On which hand?

Again, too bad about your feelings.

You've used that line three times now. You couldn't hurt the feelings of the wokest pink haired nose ringed female SJW teenager suffering from hyperesthesia and peripheral neuropathy if you read to her from "The Comedy of Andrew Dice Clay," while poking her with an electric cattle prod.
 

Jewjitzu

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Not interested in your lousy Roger Ebert impression.
And I'm not interested in your false gospel. Please show me your support for the High Priesthood for Jesus in Tanakh.

This isn't a movie review. It's your lousy theology in review.

Too swanky for your taste?
I've haven't been desperate enough to stay in one.

Scripture is unscriptural? On which hand?
Who said the NT is scriptural? It doesn't replace anything as the Torah specifically calls out not to add or subtract from it, and the NT and Christianity are all about abrogation.

You've used that line three times now. You couldn't hurt the feelings of the wokest pink haired nose ringed female SJW teenager suffering from hyperesthesia and peripheral neuropathy if you read to her from "The Comedy of Andrew Dice Clay," while poking her with an electric cattle prod.
You're using your same lame lines. You got something else? Maybe something that shows some intelligent thought?

So, what shade of pink do you wear? Rotfl... Teenager, huh. That explains a lot of things.

Ron Burgundy: Stiggy Wiggy, If I were to give you some money out of my wallet, would that ease the pain?

Rotfl...
 
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Caroljeen

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If you can show me where a High Priest will come from outside of the Levitical Priesthood predicted by Tanakh, by all means please do. If not, then you have a false High Priesthood being described in the book of Hebrews. Stiggy Wiggy doesnt seem like he can defend his POV.
What sect of Judaism do you adhere to? Do you attend a synagogue weekly? Hebrews would be the book that speaks on the priesthood of Christ in the most detail.
Yes, which is why I know the problems with it.
I would likely use the same arguments and scriptures that the NT authors and Jesus use. I suppose you've heard them all before.
It seems that way, but upon examination, you'll find things taken out of context or just plain wrong.
Are you still looking for your Messiah to come? It sounds like you are.
 

Caroljeen

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I'm sorry, if you've studied the lineage of Jesus in Matthew and Luke, they contradict each other, and in either case descent from David is absent since he was born from a virgin. Mothers don't pass tribal lineage, nor does adoption help the case.
Where would I find proof about the lineage? Is tribal lineage the same as inheritance?
As I proved, Melkitzedek wasn't a High Priest. The High Priesthood only belongs to descendants of Aaron.
Jesus' priesthood is not after Aaron but Melkizedek and before the law of Moses was given.
This isn't true either as sacrifices continued after his death until 70 CE. Ezekiel 37 - 45 also show sin sacrifices during the future temple, of which the prince Messiah will present sin sacrifices for himself.
As for sacrifices after his death and resurrection, that is to be expected since many Jews didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah. The Jewish religious leaders rejected him. As for the future temple in Ezekiel, I'll have to read it again.
And yet Jeremiah 33:17-26 shows the Levitical priesthood and the Davidic king together with future sacrifices.
I read this again also.
Wrong. Jeremiah 31:31-34 shows the same, renewed covenant written on the hearts and minds, not stone. It applies to the houses of Israel and Judah, not the church.
And Paul claims that passage for Jesus and his followers. It's the new covenant we have in Christ.
I doubt that. Moses never spoke of a god-man prophet, or one that fulfills ones obligation in the law.
No, Moses thought the prophet would be someone like himself. I'm not sure what you are referring to in the bolded.

Why are you posting here instead of in the Judaism forum?
 

Jewjitzu

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What sect of Judaism do you adhere to? Do you attend a synagogue weekly? Hebrews would be the book that speaks on the priesthood of Christ in the most detail.
I'm orthodox, and attend a synagogue.

The book of Hebrews is nonsense, sorry.

I would likely use the same arguments and scriptures that the NT authors and Jesus use. I suppose you've heard them all before.
Yes, I've heard it all.

Are you still looking for your Messiah to come? It sounds like you are.
Yes. The important thing to remember is that Messiah is just a human being, anointed for his service, as are the kings and priests were. Nothing divine behind it.

Different from looking for God.
 
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Jewjitzu

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Where would I find proof about the lineage? Is tribal lineage the same as inheritance?
Start with Numbers 1. Lineage is based on the father's house, not mother's. As to Abraham's promised seed, they would be as the stars of the sky, and not adopted, Genesis 15:2-5.

Jesus' priesthood is not after Aaron but Melkizedek and before the law of Moses was given.
Yep, heard that before. Still, Melkitzedek wasn't a High Priest. And again, Psalm 110 speaks of David.

As for sacrifices after his death and resurrection, that is to be expected since many Jews didn't accept Jesus as their Messiah.
Even those that accepted him still brought sacrifices. The books of Acts shows this.

The Jewish religious leaders rejected him.
Right. There's no problem in that.

As for the future temple in Ezekiel, I'll have to read it again.
Ok. Read Jeremiah 33 as well.

And Paul claims that passage for Jesus and his followers. It's the new covenant we have in Christ.
Doesn't apply to the church. Jeremiah is clear on that.

No, Moses thought the prophet would be someone like himself. I'm not sure what you are referring to in the bolded.
That Jesus can't fulfill the law for anyone, or apply his righteousness to anyone. It doesn't work that way. Read Ezekiel 18.

Why are you posting here instead of in the Judaism forum?
Why not?
 
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Caroljeen

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The book of Hebrews is nonsense, sorry.
You don't have to be sorry. I believe it whether you do or not. Is the Tanakh referenced with chapters and verses similar to the OT?
Yes, I've heard it all.
You don't see a suffering Messiah coming first and then returning as a King in the OT scriptures? Jesus' disciples didn't believe the Messiah would suffer either.
Yes. The important thing to remember is that Messiah is just a human being, anointed for his service, as are the kings and priests were. Nothing divine behind it.
Will your Messiah be as powerful in word and deed as Moses was? One last questions, have you looked at the prophecies from the OT that Jesus fulfilled? Do you not think that they support Jesus' claim to be the Messiah?
 

Caroljeen

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Start with Numbers 1. Lineage is based on the father's house, not mother's. As to Abraham's promised seed, they would be as the stars of the sky, and not adopted, Genesis 15:2-5.
I asked the question about lineage vs inheritance because of Numbers 27:1-3.
 

Jewjitzu

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You don't have to be sorry. I believe it whether you do or not. Is the Tanakh referenced with chapters and verses similar to the OT?
The Tanakh is what Jews call what Christians incorrectly refer to as the OT. The grouping and ordering is different than Christian OT bibles, and some of the numbering of chapters and verses as well.

You don't see a suffering Messiah coming first and then returning as a King in the OT scriptures?
I don't see the need for one. Nor do I see what you do.

Jesus' disciples didn't believe the Messiah would suffer either.
That's fine.

Will your Messiah be as powerful in word and deed as Moses was?
He should observant to the law and teach others the same, even gentiles.

One last questions, have you looked at the prophecies from the OT that Jesus fulfilled?
Yep. I haven't seen any fulfilled. There are made-up prophecies that Christians think he fulfilled.

Do you not think that they support Jesus' claim to be the Messiah?
LOL, no I don't. You wouldn't be able to support his Davidic lineage to start.
 

Jewjitzu

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I asked the question about lineage vs inheritance because of Numbers 27:1-3.
Yep, so we have here a discussion on inheritance of land as it pertains to the tribes.

Prior to this point, the land inheritance would go to the males, based on their tribes.

In this case, only females were able to inherit from their father. So that the overall tribal land inheritance wouldn't pass to another, a law was added to require Tzelophehad's daughters to marry within their own father's tribe so as not to avoid land loss.

This is one proof that male tribal lineage is determined by the males as well as their inheritance.
 
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