Question for Christians on Morality
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Jewjitzu
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No, you didn't. Try again.
BTW, this is an apologetics website and I've never seen anyone address my concerns here. But, maybe you can?
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Jewjitzu
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The resurrection was a lie as well as the 500 saints tombs that burst open when he died and were resurrected. None of it happened. Nor was the temple veil rent in two.
You should. They found his bones and ossuary. They also found he was married and had a son. Imagine that. Your god had a grandson.
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Harry Leggs
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Opinion.
You are missing the point, again and again. Falsification of the 500 does not falsify bodily resurrection of Jesus. It is incidental. The 500 could be false (and I am not saying it is)while the resurrection could be true. You were not there. The ones who were there claimed resurrection and it would be up to critics to falsify. Either way, your assertion no proof or evidence is still a lie. It may mean you do not know what you are doing.
This is all lies.
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Harry Leggs
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It would do no good. The problem here is with you, not the evidence or arguments.
So. It does not mean we are required to waste time with people who have their minds made up about the subject. That would be you.
Jewjitzu
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Fact. With all the Romans around, they never documented it. Such a miracle especially the ascension would have been viewed by thousands leaving no doubt.
Read up on it. James Tabor has a site about it as well as a book. It's a good read.
Jewjitzu
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In other words you can't look at the passages I gave you and support your argument.
So you admit it's never been addressed.
stiggy wiggy
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Harry Leggs
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Waste of time supported in your quote below
I admit you have comprehension problems.
Jewjitzu
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Ok, please show it.
Kinda hard for you to prove this being that he still has a physical body confined to one spot.
Jewjitzu
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You still haven't addressed it.
stiggy wiggy
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Jewjitzu
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It says nothing about Melchizedek being a High Priest.
Use some basic physics. Are you in two or more places?
stiggy wiggy
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And yet it does.
ME? Nah, I'm in one place. I'm now walking. OK, I'm now in a second place.
Jewjitzu
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Please give the chapter and verse that says Melchizedek was a High Priest. Genesis 14 doesn't mention it, and so neither does Hebrews 7.
Exactly. The same applies to Jesus in his physical body. He has knees that will bow in the future as he's already done in Gethsemane.
stiggy wiggy
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HEBREWS 7:
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God ....................... 26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, for He is holy, innocent, undefiled, separate from sinners, and is higher than the heavens. 27 Unlike those high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices—first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for He did this once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints men who are weak as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son who is made perfect forever.
So He has knees, and therefore can't be omniscient? All that rolling on the floor has affected your brain.
Jewjitzu
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Nope, doesn't say Melchizedek was a High Priest. Genesis 14 doesn't say it either. Psalm 110 doesn't say it either.
You got something else?
Nope. The brain is limited and so is his omnipresence with a physical body.
All knees will bow...
stiggy wiggy
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And yet it does. Wanna see it again:
HEBREWS 7:
1 For this Melchizedek, king of Salem, priest of the Most High God ....................... 26 For such a High Priest was fitting for us, for He is holy, innocent, undefiled, separate from sinners, and is higher than the heavens. 27 Unlike those high priests, He does not need to offer daily sacrifices—first for His own sins and then for the people’s, for He did this once for all when He offered up Himself. 28 For the law appoints men who are weak as high priests, but the word of the oath, which came after the law, appoints a Son who is made perfect forever.
His mind is not.
Yep, including yours.
Jewjitzu
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No, it doesn't call out Melchizedek as a High Priest, v1. The basis for this verse is in Genesis 14 and Psalm 110 which do not call out Melchizedek as a High Priest either.
V17 shows a plain priest in Melchizedek. This is supposedly who Jesus falls in line with. Nothing regarding Melchizedek being a High Priest is mentioned throughout.
BTW, the Levitical Priesthood hasn't gone away either. It is shown in Jeremiah 33:17-26, Ezekiel 37-45, and Zechariah 12:13.
Also, Melchizedek gave a tithe to Abraham. Abraham did not take any of the spoils of war for himself to be able give anything, Genesis 14:22-24. V20 in the Hebrew doesn't say Abraham gave anything.
Of course it is. Brains like computers have limited space for data. Jesus is human in a physical body, limited. Always will be. Presently in the grave.
No doubt. But Jesus will bow to the true God and confess it with his tongue.
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stiggy wiggy
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And yet it does. Hebrews 4:14:
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God ...........
and Hebrews 5: 5-6:
5 In the same way, Christ did not take on himself the glory of becoming a high priest. But God said to him,
“You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.”
6 And he says in another place,
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek."
You blew it, buddy. You messed up. You talked a big talk and just got owned.
Wrong. He has a spiritual body:
I Cor 15:44
OWNED AGAIN! This is just not your day, is it, Ronnie?