Question for Everyone: The Atheist's "Burden of Refutation"

[rossh]

And Luke 3:23 says that Jesus' biological father was assumed to be Heli's son. But since maternity is a matter of fact whereas paternity is just a matter of opinion without a reliable paternity test, then some have suggested Jesus' biological father could have been a Roman centurion.

Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

yes assumptions...

 

[rossh]

Wrong. The ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors.
Which is why it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham and Noah to have sexual relationships with their sisters, or for Abraham to commit adultery with Hagar.
And why it wasn't morally wrong to command Abraham to butcher and cook his son as a sacrificial meal, or for Cain-an to kill his brother Abel or for Noah's father to murder a young man (Gen 4).

well of course not to old dead Abe, how could that be, but to the free Hebrews with Moses and us, and even YOU..

 

[J regia]

yes assumptions...

Yep. Just words in a book, but presumably based on a relationship between Joachim's daughter and Heli's son which wasn't just platonic.

 

[J regia]

well of course not to old dead Abe, how could that be, but to the free Hebrews with Moses and us, and even YOU..

IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made and changed as society changed.
Which is why we no longer command the termination of pregnancies of adulteresses as commanded in Leviticus 20:10 and Numbers 5:20-27.

 

[J regia]

Ok. If we follow your logic, the words that are in this book on fluid mechanics are not evidence that fluids exist either.

http://ftp.demec.ufpr.br/disciplinas/TM240/Marchi/Bibliografia/White_2011_7ed_Fluid-Mechanics.pdf

Nor are the words in this calculus textbook evidence that motion exists.

http://people.math.harvard.edu/~shlomo/docs/Advanced_Calculus.pdf

Contrary to the claims made in the books.

So what relevance is any of that to whether or not a god wants to drop around for a beer and a chat with me?

 

[ferengi]

So what relevance is any of that to whether or not a god wants to drop around for a beer and a chat with me?

Still no evidence for billions of years?

 

[SteveB]

So what relevance is any of that to whether or not a god wants to drop around for a beer and a chat with me?

You're the one who stated that it's just words in a book and they're not proof of God's existence.

So, I'm giving you the opportunity to engage and demonstrate that you're right.
Those texts are college level math and engineering courses, so you should have no problem whatsoever with working through them.
Let me know when you finish.

 

[SteveB]

IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made and changed as society changed.
Which is why we no longer command the termination of pregnancies of adulteresses as commanded in Leviticus 20:10 and Numbers 5:20-27.

Well this is interesting...


Since you responded to yourself, I'd love to read your response to yourself's question.

Please proceed.

 

[ferengi]

IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made and changed as society changed.

IOW you cant prove your claim

 

[J regia]

You're the one who stated that it's just words in a book and they're not proof of God's existence.

So, I'm giving you the opportunity to engage and demonstrate that you're right.
Those texts are college level math and engineering courses, so you should have no problem whatsoever with working through them.
Let me know when you finish.

So where do those books provide any evidence that a god is going to drop by for a beer and a chat?

 

[J regia]

Well this is interesting...


Since you responded to yourself, I'd love to read your response to yourself's question.

Please proceed.

Still doesn't change the fact that the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors.

 

[rossh]

IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made and changed as society changed.
Which is why we no longer command the termination of pregnancies of adulteresses as commanded in Leviticus 20:10 and Numbers 5:20-27.m

Look it is very easy, The Ten Commandments ( the 10 on the 2 Tablets ) are each a Commandments, which are expounded/explained in full by Ordinances.. The Talmud tells us (Tractate Makkot 23b) that there are 613 commandments (mitzvot) in the Torah; 248 Positive Commandments (do's) and 365 Negative Commandments (do not's).

 

[SteveB]

So where do those books provide any evidence that a god is going to drop by for a beer and a chat?

That's for you to read for yourself.
As I said, let me know when you finish.

 

[SteveB]

Still doesn't change the fact that the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors.

I'm waiting for you to answer yourself and explain yourself to yourself so we can observe you in action.

 

[J regia]

Look it is very easy, The Ten Commandments ( the 10 on the 2 Tablets ) are each a Commandments, which are expounded/explained in full by Ordinances.. The Talmud tells us (Tractate Makkot 23b) that there are 613 commandments (mitzvot) in the Torah; 248 Positive Commandments (do's) and 365 Negative Commandments (do not's).

IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham or his ancestors.

 

[J regia]

That's for you to read for yourself.
As I said, let me know when you finish.

And still no evidence that gods exist.

 

[SteveB]

And still no evidence that gods exist.

You're not reading.

 

[J regia]

You're not reading.

Alas a god still hasn't dropped by for a coffee and a chat

 

[SteveB]

Alas a god still hasn't dropped by for a coffee and a chat

You're still not reading.

Furthermore, nothing is stopping you from calling on his name.

 

[J regia]

You're still not reading.

Furthermore, nothing is stopping you from calling on his name.

And a god still hasn't knocked on my door yet.