SteveB
Well-known member
Actually, you're not listening.And a god still hasn't knocked on my door yet.
Actually, you're not listening.And a god still hasn't knocked on my door yet.
Translation. You're not viewing the poor evidences in a more than generous light.Actually, you're not listening.
So where is your evidence for your claim the universe was not caused?Translation. You're not viewing the poor evidences in a more than generous light.
Still not interested in your ad hominem and attacks.You're the one who keeps trying to win arguments which were lost at the resurrection of Jesus.
Don't like it?
Good! You're not supposed to like it.
Find it painfully tediously and morosely boring?
Perfect! You're supposed to!
You're more than welcome to dump everything you're doing, rejoin the discussion, and stop being so morosely boring and painfully tedious.
And yet you're clearly interested enough to make a pointless statement.Still not interested in your ad hominem and attacks.
lol, so who came first then, Moses and the 2 stone tablets, of the commandments and then the 360 Ordinances, ie; rules and laws, or Abraham.... ?IOW the ten commandments etc are just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham or his ancestors.
IOW the ten commandments are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors. Nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was born.lol, so who came first then, Moses and the 2 stone tablets, of the commandments and then the 360 Ordinances, ie; rules and laws, or Abraham.... ?
How about the 600 years apart that Abraham and Moses are ?
Why not if gods actually exist, given that Gen 18 describes how a god came to Abraham's door and how they shared a meal together and had a face to face discussion about the number of righteous children in Gomorrah, and how the god then walked down to count them since it was neither an omniscient or omnipresent type of god.why on earth would a god ever knock on my door ? Can you please be polite and stop treating me like I am an idiot ? I am not here for your fun and amusement nor ridicule...
And still no gods knocking on my door.Actually, you're not listening.
well,, it is very obvious if you really want to stay unbiased in this chat.. If you are not willing to listen to reason then go away ?IOW the ten commandments are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors. Nor to our aborigines who arrived here over 50,000 years before Adam's grandmother was born.
Why not if gods actually exist, given that Gen 18 describes how a god came to Abraham's door and how they shared a meal together and had a face to face discussion about the number of righteous children in Gomorrah, and how the god then walked down to count them since it was neither an omniscient or omnipresent type of god.
And Gen 32:22-32 describes how Jacob had a wrestling match with a god and was squirrel gripped in his thigh hollow.
Or are those stories just imaginative fantasies?
But do you have any evidence that gods exist, or are the ten commandments etc just man-made?well,, it is very obvious if you really want to stay unbiased in this chat.. If you are not willing to listen to reason then go away ?
It was MOSES who God had already chosen to do what Moses did. Abraham was chosen for other issues. If you want to just argue, then go right ahead but if you want to listen to reason then read all of the scriptures. Also if you just simply refuse to believe anything that anyone ever tells you then why come here in the first place ? Abraham and Moses were 500 years apart, so go back and look at your suppositions again ?
He's been knocking on the door of your heart. If you're not listening, you won't hear.And still no gods knocking on my door.
I do not know why God did what He did nor why He does what He does...? Why do you not ask God yourself ?But do you have any evidence that gods exist, or are the ten commandments etc just man-made?
And why would a real god give a set of laws to Moses, and not give them to Abraham's ancestors and to our aborigines over 50,000 years ago anyway? Or was that just an incompetent god?
Or are those stories just imaginative fantasies?
And FYI, this is a forum to discuss the validity of your beliefs, and not a pulpit.
And it ain't necessarily so, the things that you're liable to read in the bible, it ain't necessarily so.
Alas I've never seen a god, and I see no evidence that the ten commandments weren't just man-made, given that it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham and Noah to have sexual relationships with their sisters, or for Abraham to commit adultery with Hagar, or for Lot to sexually assault his daughters (Gen 19).I do not know why God did what He did nor why He does what He does...? Why do you not ask God yourself ?
Isa 46:10 At the beginning I announce the end, proclaim in advance things not yet done; and I say that my plan will hold, I will do everything I please to do.
lol,,, God tested him and he passed.. He never killed his son at all... all that you talk on and on about was never allowed in the the actual Bible. However as there was no bible is Abraham's day.. your suppositions are just lies...Alas I've never seen a god, and I see no evidence that the ten commandments weren't just man-made, given that it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham and Noah to have sexual relationships with their sisters, or for Abraham to commit adultery with Hagar, or for Lot to sexually assault his daughters (Gen 19).
Nor was it morally wrong for Abraham to butcher and cook his son as a sacrificial meal.
Nor was it morally wrong for Caina-an to kill his brother Abel or for Noah's father to murder a young man (Gen 4)
It is time that YOU, started to deal with YOUR suppositions...
But it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to butcher and cook his son as a sacrificial meal as commanded, even if the god subsequently preferred to eat an old ram instead of Abraham's sonlol,,, God tested him and he passed.. He never killed his son at all...
So where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar?all that you talk on and on about was never allowed in the the actual Bible.
IOW the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors.However as there was no bible is Abraham's day.. your suppositions are just lies...
So again I ask, you need to deal with you guesswork..
When there was NO LAW, there was no sin, AND NOR WRONG DOING, why cant see that ?
Now, look, I have already told you,, no one killed their son in the first place... The LAW and the Ordinances HAD NOT YET BEEN GIVEN TO MANKIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why can you not understand this simple yet basic FACT ?But it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to butcher and cook his son as a sacrificial meal as commanded, even if the god subsequently preferred to eat an old ram instead of Abraham's son
So where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar?
And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Lot to sexually assault his daughters (Gen 19)?
And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Cain-an to kill his brother Abel, given that his god even protected him from retribution when he relocated to Nod and lived happily ever after with one or more Nod girls (Gen 4)? And likewise for Noah's father after he murdered a young man (Gen 4)?
IOW the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors.
One last time, there was NO bible, in fact no OT until 550 years after this scenario of your vivid imagination...But it wasn't morally wrong for Abraham to butcher and cook his son as a sacrificial meal as commanded, even if the god subsequently preferred to eat an old ram instead of Abraham's son
So where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Abraham to have a sexual relationship with his sister Sarah and commit adultery with Hagar?
And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Lot to sexually assault his daughters (Gen 19)?
And where does the bible say that it was morally wrong for Cain-an to kill his brother Abel, given that his god even protected him from retribution when he relocated to Nod and lived happily ever after with one or more Nod girls (Gen 4)? And likewise for Noah's father after he murdered a young man (Gen 4)?
IOW the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al or their ancestors.
Which is why the ten commandments etc are obviously just man-made since they didn't apply to Abraham et al and their ancestors.One last time, there was NO bible, in fact no OT until 550 years after this scenario of your vivid imagination...