Electric Skeptic
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Question for Everyone: The Atheist's "Burden of Refutation"
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rossh
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well there is, you just have closed your eyes to God and wish to not believe. Human beings are a very good example of God, or did you just wish yourself into being ? Believing is also called Faith.. Who do you believe in then, mankind, your own self ?
rossh
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arh ? sooo, all of those dead and injured people just think that they are dead and injured ?
I believe in what I have good evidence for. You were asked for your reasons for believing, but you didn't give anything evidential. I know this is called faith, but giving it a name doesn't make it rational or reasonable.
SteveB
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RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION on JSTOR
William W. Brickman, RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION, Journal of Thought, Vol. 9, No. 1 (JANUARY, 1974), pp. 16-28
www.jstor.org
When asked about such tragedies Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn explained, "Men have forgotten God, that's why all this happened." Another preeminent Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoyevsky explained, "If God is not, everything is permitted."
As Karl Marx, coauthor of the The Communist Manifesto, declared, “Communism begins where atheism begins.”
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/victoria-smolkin-history-soviet-atheism
https://www.readex.com/blog/religio...ted-highlights-recently-released-jprs-reports
https://www.baylorisr.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/froese_russia.pdf
https://wcfia.harvard.edu/files/wcfia/files/826_froese-forced_secularization_in_russia.doc
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The anti-religion museums While all museums played their part, a whole new category of museum came into being to serve the struggle. In the first twenty years of so of the Soviet regime, hundreds of ‘Museums of Atheism’ were established across the Soviet Union, in public buildings, factories, or in former churches, synagogues and mosques, many of them set up by the Militant League
Down with God! How the Soviet Union took on religion – in pictures
Marx said that religion was the opium of the people – and in the Soviet Union atheism became government policy, enforced by the state and encouraged by anti-religious posters and magazines
www.theguardian.com
Challenging "The Imam of Atheism”: Islamist Anti-Communism and the Soviet Union, 1958-1979 (with Timothy Nunan) - NYU Jordan Center
Between the Soviet Union’s outreach to countries like Egypt and Afghanistan in the mid-1950s and the growing role of Communists in Iraq following that country’s 1958 revolution, Muslim intellectuals and ulema feared the expansion of Communism in the Middle East. They began to conceive of Islam...
jordanrussiacenter.org
I can keep this going for a while if you'd like.
It's fully supported.
Your ignorance however is embarrassing.
Algor
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Do you think Islam is preferable to atheism?
RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION on JSTOR
William W. Brickman, RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION, Journal of Thought, Vol. 9, No. 1 (JANUARY, 1974), pp. 16-28
When asked about such tragedies Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn explained, "Men have forgotten God, that's why all this happened." Another preeminent Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoyevsky explained, "If God is not, everything is permitted."
As Karl Marx, coauthor of the The Communist Manifesto, declared, “Communism begins where atheism begins.”
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/victoria-smolkin-history-soviet-atheism
https://www.readex.com/blog/religio...ted-highlights-recently-released-jprs-reports
https://www.baylorisr.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/froese_russia.pdf
https://wcfia.harvard.edu/files/wcfia/files/826_froese-forced_secularization_in_russia.doc
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www.presentpasts.info
The anti-religion museums While all museums played their part, a whole new category of museum came into being to serve the struggle. In the first twenty years of so of the Soviet regime, hundreds of ‘Museums of Atheism’ were established across the Soviet Union, in public buildings, factories, or in former churches, synagogues and mosques, many of them set up by the Militant League
Down with God! How the Soviet Union took on religion – in pictures
Marx said that religion was the opium of the people – and in the Soviet Union atheism became government policy, enforced by the state and encouraged by anti-religious posters and magazines
Challenging "The Imam of Atheism”: Islamist Anti-Communism and the Soviet Union, 1958-1979 (with Timothy Nunan) - NYU Jordan Center
Between the Soviet Union’s outreach to countries like Egypt and Afghanistan in the mid-1950s and the growing role of Communists in Iraq following that country’s 1958 revolution, Muslim intellectuals and ulema feared the expansion of Communism in the Middle East. They began to conceive of Islam...jordanrussiacenter.org
I can keep this going for a while if you'd like.
It's fully supported.
Your ignorance however is embarrassing
SteveB
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Nope!
There's only one version of christianity I like.
But considering that once sin is dealt with and God's Kingdom is finally established on earth, nobody who is not regenerated by God will not want to be there.
Sin.... selfishness, self-centeredness will no longer be the norm.
It's written in Isaiah 32:17...
Isa 32:17 WEB The work of righteousness will be peace, and the effect of righteousness, quietness and confidence forever.
In 2 Peter 3,
2Pe 3:13 WEB But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.
God's Kingdom on earth will be a Kingdom of righteousness and justice.
As we read in the psalms...
Psa 97:2 WEB Clouds and darkness are around him. Righteousness and justice are the foundation of his throne.
We who follow Jesus long for the day when Jesus sets up the Kingdom on earth.
So.... no. I don't think that any religious system which is man made has value.
God's religion is the only one of value.
Jas 1:27 WEB Pure religion and undefiled before our God and Father is this: to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.
Electric Skeptic
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Are they? Are you asking a question?
Electric Skeptic
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Nice try. Got any actual sources? Like people saying that they killed because they were atheists?
RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION on JSTOR
William W. Brickman, RESISTANCE TO ATHEISTIC EDUCATION IN THE SOVIET UNION, Journal of Thought, Vol. 9, No. 1 (JANUARY, 1974), pp. 16-28
When asked about such tragedies Russian novelist Alexander Solzhenitsyn explained, "Men have forgotten God, that's why all this happened." Another preeminent Russian novelist, Fyodor Dostoyevsky explained, "If God is not, everything is permitted."
As Karl Marx, coauthor of the The Communist Manifesto, declared, “Communism begins where atheism begins.”
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/victoria-smolkin-history-soviet-atheism
https://www.readex.com/blog/religio...ted-highlights-recently-released-jprs-reports
https://www.baylorisr.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/froese_russia.pdf
https://wcfia.harvard.edu/files/wcfia/files/826_froese-forced_secularization_in_russia.doc
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www.presentpasts.info
The anti-religion museums While all museums played their part, a whole new category of museum came into being to serve the struggle. In the first twenty years of so of the Soviet regime, hundreds of ‘Museums of Atheism’ were established across the Soviet Union, in public buildings, factories, or in former churches, synagogues and mosques, many of them set up by the Militant League
Down with God! How the Soviet Union took on religion – in pictures
Marx said that religion was the opium of the people – and in the Soviet Union atheism became government policy, enforced by the state and encouraged by anti-religious posters and magazines
Challenging "The Imam of Atheism”: Islamist Anti-Communism and the Soviet Union, 1958-1979 (with Timothy Nunan) - NYU Jordan Center
Between the Soviet Union’s outreach to countries like Egypt and Afghanistan in the mid-1950s and the growing role of Communists in Iraq following that country’s 1958 revolution, Muslim intellectuals and ulema feared the expansion of Communism in the Middle East. They began to conceive of Islam...jordanrussiacenter.org
I can keep this going for a while if you'd like.
It's fully supported.
Your ignorance however is embarrassing.
Your ignorance is embarassing.
SteveB
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Electric Skeptic
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Second-hand sources don't work for me.
Again, got any people saying they killed because they were atheists?
Not interested in your insults and ad hominem.
rossh
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Yep...
rossh
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strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof. - complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
rossh
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Yes,,,, he actually quoted you a source ....
If your strong belief and complete trust/confidence isn't based on actual evidence, then it isn't rational. Calling it 'spiritual apprehension' doesn't change that in the slightest.
Electric Skeptic
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Then it's a ridiculous question. Dead people can't think anything and injured people, by definition, do not just think they are injured.
Electric Skeptic
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Sadly not a source "like people saying that they killed because they were atheists". What he quoted was a couple of people who weren't the killers claiming that the killers did it because they were atheists. No different to him, or you, or me, saying that the killers did it because they were atheists.
SteveB
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Wow! A genuine solipsist!
Only one problem with this claim of yours....
Nothing in the world you can know without your observing it yourself.
That means no news reports, no photos, no audio, or video recordings, nothing except for what you observe with your own eyes, hear with your own ears and touch with your own hands.
No audio/video because in today's modern technological environment they can be corrupted, changed, modified.
I'd say that you are completely screwed, and have utterly screwed yourself.
You apparently lack the necessary comprehension to grasp what you just stated.
How old are you?
Definitely not more than junior high school.
And yet you have no problem whatsoever with insulting yourself by saying you don't use second hand sources!
Electric Skeptic
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Then you'd say completely wrongly.
Wow! A genuine solipsist!
Only one problem with this claim of yours....
Nothing in the world you can know without your observing it yourself.
That means no news reports, no photos, no audio, or video recordings, nothing except for what you observe with your own eyes, hear with your own ears and touch with your own hands.
No audio/video because in today's modern technological environment they can be corrupted, changed, modified.
I'd say that you are completely screwed, and have utterly screwed yourself.
Do you have any sources from atheists saying that they killed because they were atheists? Yes or no? Claims by non-killers that other people killed because they were atheists carry no more weight than you claiming it.
Not interested in your insults.
The only person insulting is you.
SteveB
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You're the only one who said that
So, you're doing a bang up job of excluding yourself from knowledge, and understanding of human civilization.